Prototype Problem.

I have Xp but ya, it is not read only. :( I have all the right stuff down.

Hey, its been a long time since I have done a screen shot, but whats the hot key for that? or do I need a program for that. (my last comp it was a hot key)

That way you guys can see what I am talking about, and point me were I am going wrong at. :deal:
 
ok, after a long while, i got the pic up. and yes, i wanted the windows one







cool eh? (never done this stuff before :)
 
So you got:

C:/Fallout2/dev/proto/and the dirs here

And you got the Librarian=1

And you got the mapper and the game in the
BlackIsle dir in the Program Files dir

And all the .pro files and the .lst files in their
folders in Fallout 2/data/proto/the dirs

And it dosent work...

Delet every thing (Exept save games) that
have to do with fallout and re-install every
thing...

Works for me...
 
Sorry but it was impossible to tell what is wrong from those screenshots. They show that you have installed FO2 and the mapper more than once. I think the pastmaster is right, if you want to get this straight, uninstall all copies of FO2 and the mapper, and reinstall.

I suggest installing Fallout2 to C:\Fallout2 to make things simpler, and put the Mapper somewher on the root also, I use C:\FOMapper. Assuming that you installed this way, and have created the \Fallout2\dev\proto directories, all should work.

Note that you should not just delete the directories for FO2 or the mapper, you should use the "add/remove programs" function in windows control panel, so the registry entries get deleted. If you have already deleted one or more of these not through "add/remove programs", you may need to clean up the registry using regedit or some other registry cleaning tool.
 
I am in the same boat, I have done everything the tutorial has said and my protos dont save either. Im not sure if its meant to happen but, with the 'librarian=1' then the mapper closes REALLY slowly and takes a bit of button bashing when I exit it to get back to Windows. Is that normal?

I deleted Fallout and the mapper last night and re-installed them both and it still wont work... although I did put it back into the same directory as it was before, and I have had multiple copies of Fallout installed in the past and just deleted then without the add/remove tool. Im upgrading my computer from Windows ME to Windows XP tonight anyway so I'll install fallout 2 and the mapper again to the root directory and let you know if that fixes it :o)

Another bit of extra info, when I make the protos in the editor, and when they are made then alt tab out, the new proto files are not present in the folder, although the .lst file is updated and mentions the files.
 
The_Pastmaster said:
So you got:

C:/Fallout2/dev/proto/and the dirs here

And you got the Librarian=1

And you got the mapper and the game in the
BlackIsle dir in the Program Files dir

And all the .pro files and the .lst files in their
folders in Fallout 2/data/proto/the dirs

And it dosent work...

Delet every thing (Exept save games) that
have to do with fallout and re-install every
thing...

Works for me...
.......WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!
that sucks. ok, I will let you guys know when i am done....
 
That means you deleted the files but not through add/remove programs. The registry still thinks it is installed but it has been manually removed.

I'm tempted to not even mention the following, because making mistakes can be dangerous (disclaimer: I'm not responsible if this screw up) ...

What I do in such a situation is:

start - > run -> regedit
edit -> find -> Black Isle -> Find Next

You should find a Black Isle "folder" in regedit with Fallout2 underneath it. You can left click on Fallout 2 and right click -> delete

Edit -> find -> Black Isle again to see if it finds any more entries for Fallout2 and delete them.


Exit regedit and Fallout 2 should no longer show up in "add/remove programs". Check to make sure files are really gone from their prior installation directories.

Reinstall
 
Q:
could I just delete the hole folder? (fallout 2)
then unistall the game? or how about reinstalling it?
thx for the help!
 
Ok, I am Fu&^en pissed off.
It still shows the damn red words again.


BUT****

It will let me edit certin things and still save it. (changing charcter names, same with guns, and changing certin attributes in chacters.)

THIS is pissing me off. I would like to edit my fallout world. Not have this bullshit come up!
 
To install the game. Open the CD in windows and double click SETUP.EXE and install the game, it realy wasent that hard...

dude_obj said:
What I do in such a situation is:

start - > run -> regedit
edit -> find -> Black Isle -> Find Next

You should find a Black Isle "folder" in regedit with Fallout2 underneath it. You can left click on Fallout 2 and right click -> delete

Edit -> find -> Black Isle again to see if it finds any more entries for Fallout2 and delete them.


Exit regedit and Fallout 2 should no longer show up in "add/remove programs". Check to make sure files are really gone from their prior installation directories.

Reinstall

And WTH do you have to make things harder than they really are?
 
The_Pastmaster said:
WTH do you have to make things harder than they really are?

It looked like he had multiple copies of both FO2 and the mapper installed, and left over registry entries for files that no longer exist.

This is WTH.
 
dude_obj said:
The_Pastmaster said:
WTH do you have to make things harder than they really are?

It looked like he had multiple copies of both FO2 and the mapper installed, and left over registry entries for files that no longer exist.

This is WTH.
*sighs* I have done all of the stuff I was told to do. I even copied everything on the my comp. from the cd.

GAH! 6 hours now And only names of things can be changed, along with a *few* critter stuff. No Item changes.
 
As far as I can tell dude_obj and ColJack must be sick of posting the exact same answers about people not being able to save their protos, but I feel this a completely different situation.

My new item is "supposedly" saved, but after quitting the editor only the modified items.lst is in my root$\fallout2\dev\data\proto\items folder, having the new proto entry at the last line; but no new .pro file...
I suspect it's something to do with windows vista, but I can't be sure about it.

Since the .lst is created, I suppose that my .cfg files and patch folders are set up correctly, (master_patches=F:\fallout2\dev\data), so I'm a at a loss as to what's going on.

Any ideas?
 
Check your Fallout2/data/proto/items folder. (not the dev folder) Also if you are editing a proto it must NOT be read only when you edit it.
 
Thanks for the reply :)

It's a brand new proto (00000532.pro on .lst, right after frank's gun). The .lst in the game folder (not the dev one) is also updated, but no 00000532.pro in there either.

I'll try a to remove everything and clean install fo2 and the mapper later today and update on the situation.
 
Remember to set Read Only attribute for this new created file before start the game!
 
Cubik2k thanks for the reply. There is no proto that I could set read only to begin with. After an uninstall and clean install of fo2 and mapper I have the exact same issue. I'll brake down everything so that anyone interested can help me out.

Fo2 dir: F:\Games\Retro\Fallout2
(removed any read only attributes from the \data folder, subfolders and files in it;
check out for items.lst, it's there and it's populated;
renam patch000.dat to patch000.bak)

Mapper dir: F:\Fallout 2 Mapper
(set librarian=1, set paths critter_dat=F:\Games\Retro\Fallout2\critter.dat
critter_patches=F:\fallout2\dev\data
master_dat=F:\Games\Retro\Fallout2\master.dat
master_patches=F:\fallout2\dev\data)

Extra dirs: F:\fallout2\dev\data\proto\items
\critters, \misc, \scenery, \tiles, \walls


What happens: load the mapper, go at the empty box after frank's gun, edit, make a new weapon, hit done, no errors, exit mapper

Check out F:\fallout2\dev\data\proto\items, there's items.lst with one entry 00000532.pro (nothing else)

Check out F:\Games\Retro\Fallout2\data\Proto\Items, there's items.lst (it was there before), with all the .dat entries, no new entries (no 532 in it).

Load mapper, now it reads the items.lst from the patch dir, so no items show up.

Close mapper, delete items.list from patch dir, load mapper, try to edit an existing weapon, can't save error.

Extract a random weapon proto and put it in fo2 \items dir, try to edit it, can't save error.

Take that weap proto, put it in patch \items dir, create a new items.lst with the relevant pro entry, mapper loads only that weap in items, try to edit it, can't save error.

No file or dir whatsoever has the read only attribute and I have changed the security settings of the aforementioned dirs, so they can be edited from all the user groups (even though I log in an admin account).

I'm completely baffled.
 
I've found a post Red! wrote about paths in the mapper .cfg and it seems my patch paths where pointing at the wrong direction, aka they should be pointing in the fo2 dir and not in the \dev dir. (In fact all paths in the mapper .cfg are supposed to point there).

Anyhow, I've changed that and now I can also see killap's protos at the end of the item list (since i've got his patch) but the problem retains. I can create a proto with no errors and the new entry is written in the .lst but no .pro file anywhere.

I tried also in win 2k3, in case vista did something funny but the results where the same.

I'm not feeling very well for bumping this post, but I can't seem to be able to bring results.
 
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