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CourierAlex

First time out of the vault
I'm new to the modding scene.

I was wondering if Fallout 3 had any new radio station mods?

I've been thinking that the NCR and Legion could have their own radio stations filled with propaganda for their sides and music (ie, "NCR News", "NCR Music" with USA patriotic-sounding music and anthems, etc., since it gets annoying hearing the same news over and over when all you want is tunes). Also, the Kings could have their very own Elvis station while the Legion plays fascist music (http://bit.ly/d9dSHW). (basically just a "Hitler's favorite songs" station, ie, basically Caesar trying to emulate him as an influence)

What do you guys think?
 
Why would a legion radio station be playing german music? Caesar is emulatign some twisted version of the roman empire by combining various elements from diferent periods of it, he doesn't even talk about Hitler, nor I think he knows who the fuck he is, a Legion radio station would probably be demotivational speeches against NCR, like playing recordings of tortures, or giving reports on recent captured settlements and the like, in the msuic departamente, probably just battle music, Training Drums etc.
An Ncr radio station would not play old american Anthems, they probably have their own anthem, and motivational music.
 
It's not like Caesar and the Roman Empire are the only historical figures Caesar's studied. Just because he only specifically names 2 or so books do you really think those are the only 2 he's ever read?

The Legion does try to hide some of it's bad stuff from future conquests. (ie, how they treat women and druggies and betray tribes to the Khans) The whole point is giving them a motif.

Why do we have classic 1950's music in the post-Apocalypse of the future? It's all about a motif. From a 100% logical viewpoint (which you're applying here) it does not make sense- there could just as easily be rap for instance- but it's a part of the art that people accept. Plus, having pop music and rap or whatever wouldn't fit with the atmosphere the game's trying to establish.

For the NCR they're trying to emulate the old USA. For Caesar he's trying to emulate a brutal conquering Imperial dictatorship. The music would associate the NCR with a kind of oldschool American patriotism and Caesar with one of history's most evil tyrants.

Besides, look at Enclave radio. That had plenty of propaganda going and it brainwashed a few people to their side. (like that one old man) Enclave didn't just say, "we're going to fucking kill everyone that stands in our path," they tried to trick people into thinking they were great people who should be followed.

That's what propaganda is- it's not about being honest about one's thoughts and intentions but telling a viewing audience what you want them to hear so they'll be more amenable to your goals.

Ie, "here's why the NCR is terrible for New Vegas and why the glory of Caesar will elevate it to new heights."
 
The 50's music is justifabel in universe, but Caesar's Legion playing German music makes absolutely no sense, they are nto aboyut makign references to other cultrues other than theirs (based aroudn as I said a twisted version of roman empire), thats why they woudl seem similar to Nazis, they are more like a militar society, so eevrythign they make is to serve to that purpouse.

Having German and soviet russia era music just for going for a "OH LOL DEEP HISTORICAL REFERENCE" is completely unimaginative, the Legion doesn't even like to use tecnology beyond guns and maybe thermic lances, if the Legion were to make a radio station it would probably be to give a message to their enemies, like they did with Nipton, thats what a mod and a setting should be like, thinking how things woudl actualy work , not just stuffing things in there for style sake, like Fallout 3, actualy I just got an idea to make a quest mod for "Voice of Legion" I would need to build a radio station for them and some small encampments, a mission to give the Legion new things to demoralize the NCR with.
 
"The 50's music is justifabel in universe."

Why? Why is 50's music justifiable in universe?


"but Caesar's Legion playing German music makes absolutely no sense, they are nto aboyut makign references to other cultrues other than theirs (based aroudn as I said a twisted version of roman empire)"

Their entire culture is make-believe by Caesar himself from history books. It's all one massive lie to prop him up as a God and dictator. Caesar could easily take any pre-war music available to him and use it to his own ends and purposes if he thought it'd work.

When asked why the Legion is so strange, "I made the Legion this way to make it different from everything else out there and unique."


"thinking how things woudl actualy work , not just stuffing things in there for style sake"

I already have. It "would actually" work. The music choices are classical so as pre-date the 1950's music and could work fine beside them, without conflicting too strongly with the 1950's stuff. That's just your opinion that these choices wouldn't but then again... you know what they say about opinions.
 
Caesar has convinced his followers that he was given divine inspiration from Mars himself, going all "hey look at this german music, it is really sweet, lets put on this holotapes, I know I prohibit you from using tecnology, but these holotapes have really sweet music" and what exactly woudl acomplish having music about the greatness of the Nazi reing broadcasted to his men? even havign msuic in a diferent language to them would compeltely betray the Legion purpouses, they are all about homgeneus world, the Legion is militaristic, not burocratic, they don't go making big manifestations, and there are black, asian, caucasian and hispanic legionaries, do you think shoving racist and anti semitic music on them would be helpful to prolong the union of the Legion? puting in nazi music doesn't make any freaking sense, it woudl make mroe sense to have Battle music.
 
Read some history. Koniggratzer Marsch isn't a racist or anti-semetic song. Koniggratzer Marsch is a popular military song still used in Germany today, it was made before Hitler was even born.

These are just songs Hitler happened to like. It's only associated with such themes because Hitler's become the popular embodiment of pure evil in popular conscience. Having Caesar happen to like all the same music as Hitler would simply be way of connecting him to someone incredibly evil.

Militarily the Nazis did accomplish quite a lot, even though they bit off more then they could chew. (Winter in Russia) Caesar would probably find a lot to admire in Hitler if he knew anything about him.


Anyway, 99% of people in the Fallout universe wouldn't even know who Hitler was, and fewer would even know what the Koniggratzer Marsch was. It's not like black Legionaries would be like, "yo man, that cracker Caesar doesn't care about black people! Let's all leave the Legion man!"

Anyway, everyone has opinions and yours are what they are so I'm not going to argue my position further.
 
Caesar said it himself. He wanted to make the Legion different, unique, foreign to everything else out there. If he was playing music he wouldn't want to play the same stuff that was being played everywhere else. He'd want something distinctive that would stand out from the rest.

As for technophobia, if NCR was using radio for propaganda (which is a common tactic for all armies) then he'd want one a station if only to counteract that.
 
There's no way Caesar would go out of his way to set up his own radio station, especially with the idea of playing music over it; German in particular. Who the hell would listen to it? Obviously not the Legion.. they have no radios, and most everyone else in the Mojave despises the Legion, so they're not tuning in.

The only reason the Legion would run a radio station is if it had previously been NCR owned. It's demoralizing to not only the soldiers, but to the citizens who were previous fans as well. Letting your enemy know they're losing first hand is a pretty powerful tool.

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German music makes about as much sense as a roman inspired army trying to take over a post nuclear retro '50s style wasteland. The Nazi comment makes even less sense. Not to mention, I think anyone would find it very hard to believe that Caesar would be knowledgeable about German music, but not Hitler
 
"Not to mention, I think anyone would find it very hard to believe that Caesar would be knowledgeable about German music, but not Hitler"

Since Walpknut thought that non-white Legionaries would revolt if Caesar played Hitler's favorite music I was pointing out how ridiculous that was. Most of Hitler's favorite music didn't sing about racism and most people in the Fallout universe wouldn't even know about the music or even Hiter. But I never said Caesar would be one of those who didn't know who Hitler was, which obviously he would.
 
You said "Facist music", Nazis values have nothign to do with Legion values, Caesar has no reason to go and use german music, makes n osense.
 
Hmm.... I think just classic military themes in general would work for the Legion, not necessarily Hitler's favorites. But I do think K March would go great for Legion. Imperial Germany did try to emulate the Romans in some ways. (Caesar, Kaizer)

Anyway, I still want to see a Kings station with nothing but Elvis music.
 
The Kings don't know who Elvis was, they don't even know how he was called, they only know he was Called "The King" and that there were "temples" (Impersonation schools) dedicated to "Worship" him, The King himself says so.
 
Uh yeah, but Elvis' audiotapes exist and were sold off to a merchant.

Therefore Elvis' music still exists in the New Vegas universe and it wouldn't be too far off for them to be recoverable.

Besides, one could get around that just by not playing any songs where he specifically calls himself Elvis.
 
CourierAlex said:
Hmm.... I think just classic military themes in general would work for the Legion, not necessarily Hitler's favorites. But I do think K March would go great for Legion. Imperial Germany did try to emulate the Romans in some ways. (Caesar, Kaizer)
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But still doesn't make any sense at all! :shock: :lol:

Also, it's the opposite of what you are saying, it was Hitler and German Nazi who actually emulated and stoled A LOT of Imperial Rome ideas, symbols and manners.
The salutation, the eagle, the banners and flags graphically decorated and so on.

It really bother me that everytime a roman eagle is showed almost everyone associate the image with German Nazi. :roll:

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Hey, sorry if I lost my temper.

Anyway.... I'm really not sure what music would work best for a Legion station, the best solution might be to just have people vote on it/make suggestions.

I still think an Elvis station for the Kings would be really awesome, and that the NCR should go for patriotic stuff like the Enclave did.
 
A Legion radio station that just broadcasts music is compeltelty unimaginative, and doesn't make sense, for a Legion radio station, liek I said before, would be more fitting for it to be dedicated to demoralizing the NCR, and if they would broadcast music it would be Battle and Trainign music that sounds Ominous.
 
I didn't state it I guess, but I did mean that all the stations have some propaganda messages and not nonstop music. (with the Kings being more independent and neutral)
 
I gotta ask.... did anyone ever make any Fallout 3 mods with new radio stations of music options?

It would be funny/cool to just turn into a station and hear a certain music playing. (like, a Snoop Dogg station- I know it doesn't fit at all, but it'd be funny to listen to Gin and Juice while cruising through the Wasteland)
 
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