Republic of China (Taiwan) in Fallout Universe

[Delbert]

Being one of my favorite nations, I just have to ask, what happened to it in the world of Fallout?
Perhaps it was to the communist Chinese as Cuba is to us?
I doubt that the free world would let it go and let it get annexed.

 

[zegh8578]

I'm pretty sure there is more or less zero in-game information regarding Taiwan/RoC, so... I guess it is entirely up to you!
Meaning the free world allowed Taiwan to be annexed, goddamn the reds!

According to a Wikileaks article, China is even "saving off" its nuclear arsenal for a confrontation with Taiwan, so, we can safely assume that Taiwan got wastelanded at the very least - maybe with their own vaults, own lonesome wanderers, water-chip mishaps, and insane scientists in laboratory dungeons, developing gnarly genetic beasts!

 

[Dr Fallout]

I doubt it. It would be just a wasteland, due to being so small. 70 nukes would sink it or at least cause massive damage.

 

[berlin1945]

i assume china took them over, the way we took over canada.

 

[zegh8578]

I doubt it. It would be just a wasteland, due to being so small. 70 nukes would sink it or at least cause massive damage.

Landscapes are usually just relatively small. There aren't enough warheads in the world to physically sink Taiwan into the ocean, even a carpet-bombing would - from space - only appear as a series of glitter...

What's the current pop of Taiwan, 20 mill? Half of that of California, and look at how much action they managed to chirn out! And sure, California has more landscape, but it's not like you can straddle across Taiwan either - a person becomes disappearingly tiny, and Taiwan would certainly allow for nations, factions etc.

In fact, to linguists, Taiwan is particularily interesting, because it is the growing spot for a whole range of old languages, formed and isolated by the intricate valleys along the central mountain ridge, for then to spread out from there forming the Austronesian languages

 

[The-Artist-64]

It is extremely likely that China became the 'monster of the east' and began annexing all of Asia, thus explaining the out of place American-Soviet alliance. Undoubtedly and unfortunately, Taiwan was likely the first to go. Certain dialogue suggests that Mongolia was annexed (Gobi Campaign), and I've always thought that North Korea joined willingly with a forced invasion of South Korea. As a personal headcanon, Australia was swallowed by the red menace too. Because of the Resource Wars, the European Civil War and the US's unfortunate isolationist nature in this alternate timeline, this monster grew to...well, monstrous levels.

Or, in other words:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

-Edmund Burke

 

[Dr Fallout]

America wasn't a better choice, they became the monster of the West, gobbling up Canada and Mexico, while experimenting on their own populace and acting more and more oppressive. In Fallout there is never the right side, before and after.

 

[LordAshur]

Fallout has a more cynical view of things than the US being "good" and China being "bad". The annexation of Canada was not presented as being all that peaceful in the original Fallout's intro, and the fact that US soldiers executing a POW and laughing their asses of at it is used as propaganda by the US government doesn't really imply its benevolence. And annexing Canada isn't exactly "isolationism" to be honest.

The cancelled Fallout Extreme's storyline included an imperial takeover of what was left of China, and Taiwan is the likeliest of places for such a movement to begin. So it's a fair assumption that Taiwan survived. China probably wouldn't waste too much of its nukes on a country that doesn't posess a nuclear arsenal too.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Fair enough, though Taiwan would starve, run out of power and fall into general decline. But agreed, if anything the Soviets were the 'best' out of the big three.

 

[The-Artist-64]

America wasn't a better choice, they became the monster of the West, gobbling up Canada and Mexico, while experimenting on their own populace and acting more and more oppressive. In Fallout there is never the right side, before and after.

Then you probably wouldn't want to hear my opinions on a real life annexation.

But agreed, if anything the Soviets were the 'best' out of the big three.

Really?

Really?

 

[LordAshur]

America wasn't a better choice, they became the monster of the West, gobbling up Canada and Mexico, while experimenting on their own populace and acting more and more oppressive. In Fallout there is never the right side, before and after.

Then you probably wouldn't want to hear my opinions on a real life annexation.

But agreed, if anything the Soviets were the 'best' out of the big three.

Really?

Really?

In the Fallout universe, it's pretty safe to assume that they were. They're the only one of the three superpowers which, as far as we know, kept their business to themselves. And if it's the real USSR you're talking about, well, the dude is Russian, so I guess he'd know better than us, right?

As for the Canada thing, I, for one, would like to hear what you have to say? But this isn't the place, shall we open a thread in the general discussion forum?

 

[The-Artist-64]

America wasn't a better choice, they became the monster of the West, gobbling up Canada and Mexico, while experimenting on their own populace and acting more and more oppressive. In Fallout there is never the right side, before and after.

Then you probably wouldn't want to hear my opinions on a real life annexation.

But agreed, if anything the Soviets were the 'best' out of the big three.

Really?

Really?

In the Fallout universe, it's pretty safe to assume that they were. They're the only one of the three superpowers which, as far as we know, kept their business to themselves. And if it's the real USSR you're talking about, well, the dude is Russian, so I guess he'd know better than us, right?

As for the Canada thing, I, for one, would like to hear what you have to say? But this isn't the place, shall we open a thread in the general discussion forum?

No thanks, I'd rather not be lectured by the entire forum on why I'm apparently so wrong.

 

[Dr Fallout]

It's fine! I don't mind!

The Soviets are only 'better' because there's limited information on them. We don't really know of their goals and politics, even their acts of cruelty however we know the various 'evils' done by America and can easily guess those done by China. Only reason they're better is the lack of information.

 

[zegh8578]

America wasn't a better choice, they became the monster of the West, gobbling up Canada and Mexico, while experimenting on their own populace and acting more and more oppressive. In Fallout there is never the right side, before and after.

Then you probably wouldn't want to hear my opinions on a real life annexation.

But agreed, if anything the Soviets were the 'best' out of the big three.

Really?

Really?

In the Fallout universe, it's pretty safe to assume that they were. They're the only one of the three superpowers which, as far as we know, kept their business to themselves. And if it's the real USSR you're talking about, well, the dude is Russian, so I guess he'd know better than us, right?

As for the Canada thing, I, for one, would like to hear what you have to say? But this isn't the place, shall we open a thread in the general discussion forum?

No thanks, I'd rather not be lectured by the entire forum on why I'm apparently so wrong.

Whaaat?
I am FOR the invasion of Canada! To heck and beyond with Canada! There is only room for one friendly minded social-democratic snow-country in the world, and that is Norway, so you go ahead, America, you go right ahead and teach Canada a lesson they will late forget!

 

[Dr Fallout]

Please post your idea, would love to hear it.

 

[RetroAmerica]

Considering that politics was never well written in the Fallout Series (including the classics), my assumption is that Taiwan, joined Hong Kong and Macao in being reincorporated into Mainland China.

 

[naossano]

Considering that the two China (mainland and Taïwan) were officially separated in the late 1940s/early 1950s and the history divergence between our world and the Fallout world started at the same period, there is a possibility that this separation never happened in the Fallout world to begin with...

 

[The-Artist-64]

Considering that the two China (mainland and Taïwan) were officially separated in the late 1940s/early 1950s and the history divergence between our world and the Fallout world started at the same period, there is a possibility that this separation never happened in the Fallout world to begin with...

Nope. Change in parallel universes is exponential- after divergence, the universe looks much like ours with an increasing amount of difference for every bit of time that passes. The events that caused the separation likely had roots before the divergence, so it likely occured in mostly the same way it did here. That, and the point of divergence is unknown, but the Fallout Wiki lists it as '1950s'.

In my fan fiction universe, the first noticable change was in 1947, the Roswell Incident, which was when the first threads of the shadow government (proto-Enclave) began to form. Later, the universe was totally unrecognizable: the Commonwealth Reorganization Act of 1964, the formation of the United States Central Enforcement Agency in place of SOCOM, etc.

 

[naossano]

We cannot tell for sure what did or didn't happen in the post-WW2 Fallout world unless it is stated or implied to have happened or not happened.

 

[RetroAmerica]

Considering that the two China (mainland and Taïwan) were officially separated in the late 1940s/early 1950s and the history divergence between our world and the Fallout world started at the same period, there is a possibility that this separation never happened in the Fallout world to begin with...

Nope. Change in parallel universes is exponential- after divergence, the universe looks much like ours with an increasing amount of difference for every bit of time that passes. The events that caused the separation likely had roots before the divergence, so it likely occured in mostly the same way it did here. That, and the point of divergence is unknown, but the Fallout Wiki lists it as '1950s'.

In my fan fiction universe, the first noticable change was in 1947, the Roswell Incident, which was when the first threads of the shadow government (proto-Enclave) began to form. Later, the universe was totally unrecognizable: the Commonwealth Reorganization Act of 1964, the formation of the United States Central Enforcement Agency in place of SOCOM, etc.

Why would the United States form a paramilitary organization in place of the Special Operations Command, which is a DOD asset. That doesn't actually make any sense!