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John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
Communism is worse then any fucking religion. No religion has killed more then a hundred million people in less then a century.
Go crawl into some North Korean gutter and remove yourself from the presense of us awful religious people, please. We would really apprecaite it.
Go crawl into some North Korean gutter and remove yourself from the presense of us awful religious people, please. We would really apprecaite it.
Heh, only because no religious power had the means yet.
The Soviets just had lucky timing.
Try killing a hundred million people within less than a century with 15th century equipment in a world with 15th century population density.
Hm, how many did the crusades kill, relatively to the amount of people involved in the wars?
The Soviets just had lucky timing.
Try killing a hundred million people within less than a century with 15th century equipment in a world with 15th century population density.
Hm, how many did the crusades kill, relatively to the amount of people involved in the wars?
I think I read somewhere that around 10 million people died on both sides. Most of them non combatants.
John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
They are diffirent situations Ashmo. Premodern economies are largely founded upon violence, especially Europe during the end of the Dark Ages: due to the rather pathetic nature of domestic agriculture, the best way to get money quick was to run over to the next duchy and loot stuff.
The Crusades are the most dramatically overblown period in all of human history. The Turks where doing just as bad, and occaisonally worse, then the Christians where duing even in Jerusalem, and the Mamelukes who replaced them where also just as bad for the local populace.
The Crusaders where not 'demons', simply because they where not clearly inferior rulers then the Mamelukes and Turks, and because the entire *era* was dominated by similar violence.
Unlike Communism. It's pretty hard to argue that Communism and Nazism killed for any other reason then furthering ideology by any autogenocidal means at their disposal. No Christain sect ever killed 100,000,000 in a quest to industrialize, no Christian sect ever kicked out every inhabitant of every city and forced them to live off the earth to try and create a 'New Man'.
The Crusades are the most dramatically overblown period in all of human history. The Turks where doing just as bad, and occaisonally worse, then the Christians where duing even in Jerusalem, and the Mamelukes who replaced them where also just as bad for the local populace.
The Crusaders where not 'demons', simply because they where not clearly inferior rulers then the Mamelukes and Turks, and because the entire *era* was dominated by similar violence.
Unlike Communism. It's pretty hard to argue that Communism and Nazism killed for any other reason then furthering ideology by any autogenocidal means at their disposal. No Christain sect ever killed 100,000,000 in a quest to industrialize, no Christian sect ever kicked out every inhabitant of every city and forced them to live off the earth to try and create a 'New Man'.
All Crusades or the first Crusade?
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All of them. In the first one around 300000 dead, IIRC (but that may just be soldiers).
John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
Those have to be rough estimations, as there where a lot of Crusades, and population estimates for places like Constantinople around 1204 where rough, let alone Jerusalem a century before that.
Dude, this is getting so tiresome... Another CCR vs everyone's common sense debate 
Heh. If it wasn't for the complexity of modern-day foreign relations, looting foreign countries would still be as feasible.
Although one might argue that certain powers tend to ignore foreign relations and still loot other places.
I second Jebus' view on the situation, tho.
Although one might argue that certain powers tend to ignore foreign relations and still loot other places.
I second Jebus' view on the situation, tho.