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Bradylama said:
Big T said:
And how does one access this code? Through some sort of mod? Or is it just a cheat code?

Does one year really make such a difference between NC17 and AO? Or is your development so tightly controlled? ;)
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For the PC its accessible through the Hot Coffee mod, and on the Playstation you can unlock the minigames using a Gameshark.
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So, either way that facet of the game can only be accessed by (illegally?) modifying the game files. Seems somewhat dubious to ban the game based on that. After all, one could, given the right motivation, mod Tetris into a Paedophilic, pornographic game.
The difference between M and AO is that stores can be fined for selling AO games to minors, so they mostly don't bother to carry them at all.
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So ... availability?
 
Yet, the game isn't banned, the ESRB just changed the rating. It'd be one thing if modders actually made the minigames from scratch (quite the feat) but the code was just there in the game lying dormant and unused. What's even worse is that Rockstar has actually tried to bullshit their way through this by blaming the modders and Gameshark.

And yeah, availability.
 
why stop at gta? That's what many anal people are asking and here we have the next target... courtesy of Gamespot...

Sims 2 content "worse than Hot Coffee"

[UPDATE] Miami attorney Jack Thompson claims cheat codes make EA's life sim a pedophile's paradise by showing genitalia; calls for ban on T-rated game.

How do you like your hot coffee? If you're Jack Thompson, you like it scalding game publisher's laps. The Miami attorney and antigaming activist has done his share to see that games don't fall into the wrong hands. And lately, those hands have belonged to almost everyone.

Thompson was among those who spearheaded the recent effort to slap an "Adults Only" rating on Rockstar Games' Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and he's often been on the forefront of many other gaming issues, several of which have targeted the crime-spree-based GTA franchise. In the past, he's represented defendants who have been the victims of GTA-inspired crimes, including the triple homicide of three police officers by an 18-year-old boy in Alabama.
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Hrmm... no love as a child I suppose? Now he seeks to target children everywhere and prevent them from playing video games. What a doll!

His beef with San Andreas? Unused code in the game that depicts sexual acts. These minigames can be unlocked by using game-cheat devices or patches available on the Internet.

Thompson is on a roll...and he's not done yet. His latest goat is a game that doesn't involve guns, carjacking, or prostitutes: He's going after Electronic Arts' The Sims 2.

In a manifesto sent today to press outlets, Thompson focuses on dismantling the Entertainment Software Ratings Board and exposing what he calls the industry's "latest dirty little secret." The secret's out now, and it involves nude sims.

In the statement, Thompson says, "Sims 2, the latest version of the Sims video game franchise ... contains, according to video game news sites, full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair."
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You know... I was joking when i suggested they ban the sims earlier in this thread.


The Sims 2 is a "life simulator." In the game, players steer their digital beings around their cyberlives. Actions include everything from the spectacular (getting married, having children, receiving promotions at work) to the mundane (cooking microwaved meals, going to the bathroom, mopping the floor). Such activities, as in real life, sometimes require nudity. EA circumvents inappropriateness by "blurring" out the nether regions, almost to a comical sense.

Knowing that the game is popular among all ages, EA has even taken steps to ensure that Sims fans aren't exposed to indecent depictions. In the recent expansion pack, The Sims 2 University, gamers can send their teenage sims off to college. However, instead of packing the expansion with "keggers" and "reefer," EA chose to use juice and bubble blowers.
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Alright! College parties involving Juice! Hrmm... why's everyone lying on the ground spitting out utter nonsense (as opposed to normal sim talk) after drinking juice? Mom... how come our juice doesn't do that!

Thompson doesn't seem to care. He cites a cheat code that can remove the blur that covers the nether regions. "The nudity placed there by the publisher/maker, Electronic Arts, is accessed by the use of a simple code that removes what is called 'the blur' which obscures the genital areas. In other words, the game was released to the public by the manufacturer knowing that the full frontal nudity was resident on the game and would be accessed by use of a simple code widely provided on the Internet."

It's not just the adults that are liberated from their wardrobes. Sims kids can also be nudified, "much to the delight, one can be sure, of pedophiles around the globe who can rehearse, in virtual reality, for their abuse."
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yay! now you can see computer animated children naked! So that's how the sims sells so well... pedophiles everywhere have been waiting months for this!


Were this to be true, Thompson would have his smoking gun, and EA would be forced to recall all copies of The Sims 2. However, it's what's under the blur that Thompson's after. And what happens when the blur is lifted? A simple mannequin-esque smooth body, according to EA.

Jeff Brown, vice president of corporate communications at EA, in response to the accusations, told GameSpot, "This is nonsense. We've reviewed 100 percent of the content. There is no content inappropriate for a teen audience. Players never see a nude sim. If someone with an extreme amount of expertise and time were to remove the pixels, they would see that the sims have no genitals. They appear like Ken and Barbie."

Thompson doesn't buy it. "The sex and the nudity are in the game. That's the point. The blur is an admission that even the 'Ken and Barbie' features should not be displayed. The blur can be disarmed. This is no different than what is in San Andreas, although worse."
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Okay... now it's just getting retarded.


[UPDATE] Thompson this afternoon updated his earlier statement, saying he is aware certain mods only remove "the blur," but adds that "Electronic Arts has done nothing about this." Thompson's new conclusion: EA is "cooperating, gleefully, with the mod community to turn Sims 2 into a porn offering."

The last time we checked, The Sims 2 was rated T for Teen by the ESRB, which means that anyone 13 years of age, with $50 to spend, can purchase the game.
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You can make a vagina and penis for Barbie and Ken with a little work of "modification"... Guess they need an AO rating too huh...
 
I'm pretty sure that the situation with the Sims 2 is different because Maxis didn't actually include genitalia in the game, it's a Barbie and Ken doll effect down there without the pixelisation. You have to actually download the genitalia to get them, it wasn’t included anywhere in the game, hidden code or not.

I suppose any modder out there could make a mod for any game that puts a penis on the forehead of every character in the game. I guess that means that we need to make all games ever have a AO rating, for the childrens.

Won't someone please think of the childrens!?
 
welsh said:
Not sure how many of you are fans of Grand Theft Auto, but this might be interesting.

'Grand Theft' sex content reviewed

Industry group could change 'San Andreas' rating to 'Adult Only' if hidden simulated acts are found.
July 9, 2005: 10:59 AM EDT

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The industry group that sets ratings for video games is probing whether hidden features within the blockbuster title "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" allows players to make their characters engage in simulated explicit sex acts.

The series of criminal adventure games from Take-Two Interactive Software Inc. (Research) subsidiary Rockstar Games has been among the best selling in history, while drawing sharp criticism for encouraging gratuitous violence.

If the investigation were to lead to a rating change from M (Mature 17+) to AO (Adult Only), it could limit sales from major retail outlets.

The Entertainment Software Rating Board "has opened an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the 'Hot Coffee' modification for (the game) ... to determine if there has been a violation of ESRB Rules and Regulations requiring full disclosure of pertinent content," ratings group President Patricia Vance said in a statement.

According to enthusiast sites, loading the Hot Coffee modification on a personal computer unlocks minigames that enable users to make game characters perform sexually explicit acts.

Rockstar confirmed in an e-mailed statement the existence of the ESRB investigation and said it is complying fully.

"We also feel confident that the investigation will uphold the original rating of the game, as the work of the mod community is beyond the scope of either publishers or the ESRB," Rockstar said in the statement.

"If after a thorough and objective investigation of all the relevant facts surrounding this modification, we determine a violation of our rules has occurred, we will take appropriate action," ESRB's Vance said.

There have been instances where ESRB has discovered undisclosed content in a video game and changed a rating, said an ESRB spokesman, who declined further comment on the current investigation.

The move from the ESRB comes just days after California lawmaker Leland Yee, a Democrat from San Francisco, blasted the game for its violent and sexually explicit content.

The legislator, also a child psychologist, wants the game's rating changed to AO. In the past he has pushed for restrictions on sales of violent video games to minors.

Of the 1,036 game ratings assigned by the ESRB in 2004, fewer than 1 percent received an AO rating.

The PlayStation2 version of "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" was the No. 1 game of 2004, selling just over 5 million copies, according to NPD Funworld.
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See, arent you glad we play fallout (Wait isnt FO2 worse with all the killings and prostites and drug use,LOL)
 
Here's the whole deal THE POLITICIANS ARE FUCING MORONS!! not many people knew about the sex thing (that played it). but now the media goes blaring it all over the entire fucking world and they wonder why we learn about this crap. they should've just told any internet sites about it to stop or something and requested thatn anyone who knew (privately) would be told to stop from telling anyone. hell I didn't know anything about this until I heard it on the Daily show and that doesn't mean I'l go HOLY SHIT!!! I'L GET TO SEE AN OBVIOUSLY FAKE AND UNREAL SEX SESSION AND BOTHER ALL THE TIME TO MOD MY GAME AND THEN UNLOCK IT AND ACTUALLY HAVE TO BOTHER PLAYING THE MINIGAME!!! no people wouldn't bother unless they were just checking it out to see if it's all that bad so they could complain also. They could just go online and find some porn instead of wasting their time. The politicians are just doing this so stupid people would think of them as 'good people' and vote for them most likely. and if it DOES continue just about all games will be rated AO instead of the idiots just stopping hot coffee from happening
 
Joachim said:
Here's the whole deal THE POLITICIANS ARE FUCING MORONS!! not many people knew about the sex thing (that played it). but now the media goes blaring it all over the entire fucking world and they wonder why we learn about this crap. they should've just told any internet sites about it to stop or something and requested thatn anyone who knew (privately) would be told to stop from telling anyone. hell I didn't know anything about this until I heard it on the Daily show and that doesn't mean I'l go HOLY SHIT!!! I'L GET TO SEE AN OBVIOUSLY FAKE AND UNREAL SEX SESSION AND BOTHER ALL THE TIME TO MOD MY GAME AND THEN UNLOCK IT AND ACTUALLY HAVE TO BOTHER PLAYING THE MINIGAME!!! no people wouldn't bother unless they were just checking it out to see if it's all that bad so they could complain also. They could just go online and find some porn instead of wasting their time. The politicians are just doing this so stupid people would think of them as 'good people' and vote for them most likely. and if it DOES continue just about all games will be rated AO instead of the idiots just stopping hot coffee from happening
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While not going on such a withc-hunt to destroy GTA might've saved a lot of attention for the sex mod, but telling sites to shut up won't work. If anything, this'll make all the sites outraged and start a rather large outrage against the people protesting censorship and advertising free speech. Think it through, please.

And yes, of course the politicians are doing that to gain more votes. Why the hell else do you think they'd that? To lose votes?
Polticians need votes to survive, and the nice thing about the system you have is, is that at least politicans will do what the majority of the people want to retain or gain votes. So don't blame the polticians for wanting to gather votes, blame the people.
 
yeah sorry for not thinking it through really I had a migraine when I was typing it so I was just pissed at everything really. maybe they could like pay the distributors-makers of hot coffee to stop since I believe the download is free? maybe they would stop. but also maybe they could find a way to have AO versions with hot coffee installed and M versions without it and like anti software to make sure it doesn't. sure some people would just let their sons play but that's american life to let a parent have his or her own teaching methods or how they allow things. If the parents know their child/s are mature enough to understand that and perhaps not play if there is no real benefit to the game then let them have their children play the game. politics can not necessarily infringe on that right for parents. so that should be it. not like any adult would bother to pay like that extra 5-10 dollars you know they would add for it but at least it could get the politicians to stop, at least on video games..for now
 
Don't know how pertinent to the current conversation this is, just thought I'd throw this is for good measure.

Scott Ramsoomair, the artist behind VG Cats, apparently received an e-mail from Jack Thompson, and although I'm not completely convinced of the veracity of these e-mails, it's pretty funny anyway. Link

If true, these e-mails would seem to suggest that Jack Thompson is a few gunmen short of a posse. Although, this quote from SimpleMinded's post probably suggests that anyway
Jack Thompson said:
"The sex and the nudity are in the game. That's the point. The blur is an admission that even the 'Ken and Barbie' features should not be displayed. The blur can be disarmed. This is no different than what is in San Andreas, although worse."
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What the hell? So if they hadn't blurred it at all, there'd be no problem, but the mere fact that it was blurred automatically makes it "naughty"?
 
Volkov said:
Jack Thompson said:
"The sex and the nudity are in the game. That's the point. The blur is an admission that even the 'Ken and Barbie' features should not be displayed. The blur can be disarmed. This is no different than what is in San Andreas, although worse."
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What the hell? So if they hadn't blurred it at all, there'd be no problem, but the mere fact that it was blurred automatically makes it "naughty"?
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Erm, no. He's saying that the blurring is an admission of the nudity that is in the game is improper. If there had been no blurring, it still would've been bad, possibly worse, but they would not have admitted that it was wrong.
Or at least, that's his logic.
 
That reminds me of the american justice system.

If you rape and kill a young girl but make no effort to hide it = you must be insane and not understand what you are doing, so they lock you up for 5 years and let you off in 2.5 for good behavior. Or just acquitt you altogether...

I was recently watching court tv (yeah, im a loser :roll:), and they had this black man on trial for raping and savagely beating this young (between 17 and 25 I think) white girl. His defense in a nutshell was "She laughed at him, that upset him, and he didnt know what he was doing." You can probably guess the outcome to that trial. The all black jury (well...three white people) found him innocent and didnt even require him to go to a psychiatrist or his family to pay some kind of restitution to the girl's family. Am I the only one who finds this totally fucked up?

Basically - Go commit ANY crime, from raping children to shooting cops, as long as you pretend you are retarded or severely mentally imbalanced, you get off! God bless America.
 
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