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And to think that some folks have to pay for this-

"Damn you infidels for rubbing your big american butter coated breasts in my face?

How dare you run wet crotch, dripping with seminal fluids, against my erection!"

Surely there must be some twisted erotic writers using this stuff for inspiration.

Guantanamo Soldier Details Sexual Tactics

Thu Jan 27, 4:33 PM ET Top Stories - AP


By PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press Writer

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Female interrogators tried to break Muslim detainees at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo Bay by sexual touching, wearing a miniskirt and thong underwear and in one case smearing a Saudi man's face with fake menstrual blood, according to an insider's written account.

A draft manuscript obtained by The Associated Press is classified as secret pending a Pentagon (news - web sites) review for a planned book that details ways the U.S. military used women as part of tougher physical and psychological interrogation tactics to get terror suspects to talk.

It's the most revealing account so far of interrogations at the secretive detention camp, where officials say they have halted some controversial techniques.

"I have really struggled with this because the detainees, their families and much of the world will think this is a religious war based on some of the techniques used, even though it is not the case," the author, former Army Sgt. Erik R. Saar, 29, told AP.

Saar didn't provide the manuscript or approach AP, but confirmed the authenticity of nine draft pages AP obtained. He requested his hometown remain private so he wouldn't be harassed. Saar, who is neither Muslim nor of Arab descent, worked as an Arabic translator at the U.S. camp in eastern Cuba from December 2002 to June 2003. At the time, it was under the command of Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, who had a mandate to get better intelligence from prisoners, including alleged al-Qaida members caught in Afghanistan (news - web sites).

Saar said he witnessed about 20 interrogations and about three months after his arrival at the remote U.S. base he started noticing "disturbing" practices.

One female civilian contractor used a special outfit that included a miniskirt, thong underwear and a bra during late-night interrogations with prisoners, mostly Muslim men who consider it taboo to have close contact with women who aren't their wives.

Beginning in April 2003, "there hung a short skirt and thong underwear on the hook on the back of the door" of one interrogation team's office, he writes. "Later I learned that this outfit was used for interrogations by one of the female civilian contractors ... on a team which conducted interrogations in the middle of the night on Saudi men who were refusing to talk."

Some Guantanamo prisoners who have been released say they were tormented by "prostitutes."

In another case, Saar describes a female military interrogator questioning an uncooperative 21-year-old Saudi detainee who allegedly had taken flying lessons in Arizona before the Sept. 11 terror attacks. Suspected Sept. 11 hijacker Hani Hanjour received pilot instruction for three months in 1996 and in December 1997 at a flight school in Scottsdale, Ariz.

"His female interrogator decided that she needed to turn up the heat," Saar writes, saying she repeatedly asked the detainee who had sent him to Arizona, telling him he could "cooperate" or "have no hope whatsoever of ever leaving this place or talking to a lawyer.'"

The man closed his eyes and began to pray, Saar writes.

The female interrogator wanted to "break him," Saar adds, describing how she removed her uniform top to expose a tight-fitting T-shirt and began taunting the detainee, touching her breasts, rubbing them against the prisoner's back and commenting on his apparent erection.

The detainee looked up and spat in her face, the manuscript recounts.

The interrogator left the room to ask a Muslim linguist how she could break the prisoner's reliance on God. The linguist told her to tell the detainee that she was menstruating, touch him, then make sure to turn off the water in his cell so he couldn't wash.

Strict interpretation of Islamic law forbids physical contact with women other than a man's wife or family, and with any menstruating women, who are considered unclean.

"The concept was to make the detainee feel that after talking to her he was unclean and was unable to go before his God in prayer and gain strength," says the draft, stamped "Secret."

The interrogator used ink from a red pen to fool the detainee, Saar writes.

"She then started to place her hands in her pants as she walked behind the detainee," he says. "As she circled around him he could see that she was taking her hand out of her pants. When it became visible the detainee saw what appeared to be red blood on her hand. She said, 'Who sent you to Arizona?' He then glared at her with a piercing look of hatred.

"She then wiped the red ink on his face. He shouted at the top of his lungs, spat at her and lunged forward" — so fiercely that he broke loose from one ankle shackle.

"He began to cry like a baby," the draft says, noting the interrogator left saying, "Have a fun night in your cell without any water to clean yourself."

Events Saar describes resemble two previous reports of abusive female interrogation tactics, although it wasn't possible to independently verify his account.

In November, in response to an AP request, the military described an April 2003 incident in which a female interrogator took off her uniform top, exposed her brown T-shirt, ran her fingers through a detainee's hair and sat on his lap. That session was immediately ended by a supervisor and that interrogator received a written reprimand and additional training, the military said.

In another incident, the military reported that in early 2003 a different female interrogator "wiped dye from red magic marker on detainees' shirt after detainee spit (cq) on her," telling the detainee it was blood. She was verbally reprimanded, the military said.

Sexual tactics used by female interrogators have been criticized by the FBI (news - web sites), which complained in a letter obtained by AP last month that U.S. defense officials hadn't acted on complaints by FBI observers of "highly aggressive" interrogation techniques, including one in which a female interrogator grabbed a detainee's genitals.

About 20 percent of the guards at Guantanamo are women, said Lt. Col. James Marshall, a spokesman for U.S. Southern Command. He wouldn't say how many of the interrogators were female.

Marshall wouldn't address whether the U.S. military had a specific strategy to use women.

"U.S. forces treat all detainees and conduct all interrogations, wherever they may occur, humanely and consistent with U.S. legal obligations, and in particular with legal obligations prohibiting torture," Marshall said late Wednesday.

But some officials at the U.S. Southern Command have questioned the formation of an all-female team as one of Guantanamo's "Immediate Reaction Force" units that subdue troublesome male prisoners in their cells, according to a document classified as secret and obtained by AP.

In one incident, dated June 19, 2004, "The detainee appears to be genuinely traumatized by a female escort securing the detainee's leg irons," according to the document, a U.S. Southern Command summary of videotapes shot when the teams were used.

The summary warned that anyone outside Department of Defense (news - web sites) channels should be prepared to address allegations that women were used intentionally with Muslim men.

At Guantanamo, Saar said, "Interrogators were given a lot of latitude under Miller," the commander who went from the prison in Cuba to overseeing prisons in Iraq (news - web sites), where the Abu Ghraib scandal shocked the world with pictures revealing sexual humiliation of naked prisoners.

Several female troops have been charged in the Abu Ghraib scandal.

Saar said he volunteered to go to Guantanamo because "I really believed in the mission," but then he became disillusioned during his six months at the prison.

After leaving the Army with more than four years service, Saar worked as a contractor briefly for the FBI.

The Department of Defense has censored parts of his draft, mainly blacking out people's names, said Saar, who hired Washington attorney Mark S. Zaid to represent him. Saar needed permission to publish because he signed a disclosure statement before going to Guantanamo.

The book, which Saar titled "Inside the Wire," is due out this year with Penguin Press.

Guantanamo has about 545 prisoners from some 40 countries, many held more than three years without charge or access to lawyers and many suspected of links to al-Qaida or Afghanistan's ousted Taliban regime, which harbored the terrorist network.
 
Whoa. I think I will call FBI, say I was behind the 9/11 attacks and request to be detained in Guantanamo...
 
I'm with you Ratty. Mmm... Army chicks.

I don't ncessarily see this as wrong, it is interrogation after all. As long as they don't permanently damage them by cutting things off or anything horrendous. - Colt
 
Oh yeah, so that makes it OK.
It's interrogation anyway, let's zap a few volts into the guy here and there, shoot him full of LSD and have a whore smear her crotch on his face while he screams and writhes in a pool of piss.

Whoops. Sorry. Wrong guy.
 
Well...Im just worried about the impact this could have considered the "torture" was thought of to try and get between them and God. I mean obviously religion is very important to them. If word get's out that the Christian American's torture Muslims by making them sinful in the eyes of God...it'll only help the extremists paint the American's as evil, satan worshippers.

Ugh,
The Vault Dweller
 
Female interrogators tried to break Muslim detainees at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo Bay by sexual touching, wearing a miniskirt and thong underwear

Where the fuck are Al-qaeda's recruiting centers? :D
 
This really isn't funny, you know. These are things that go completely against every belief system the average muslim male has, and these are trauma's and shames those men will have to live with the rest of their life.
Yesterday, I saw a sjeik crying on the evening news because the Americans had wrecked his mosque and trampled his Qu'ran. We fail to pause and think about the meaning of these events, because hey - they're only muslims. Yet, try to turn it around for once. Image a muslim wrecking your churches, pissing on your bible, and raping your men.
 
Jebus said:
Image a muslim wrecking your churches, pissing on your bible, and raping your men.
I would say - go for it! I do not care much about churches and bibles, but I definitely would not mind getting raped by a hot muslim chick.

Oh, and Fake Vault Dweller, stop posting on this forum, please. Your avatar arouses me to the point where I can no longer think coherently.
 
well you have to realize that these are our enemies and we're trying to extract information from them, because they are our enemies. it's not like we're taking non enemies and subjecting them to craziness for fun. you can cry the "ogm what happens if you get an innocent by accident" all night long. that's absurd, because you can bring the issue of doubt up in any argument. of course there is doubt, but is there reasonably significant doubt?

also, have these tactics worked? i mean, cuz if they haven't worked in getting info out of our enemies then they should be abolished.

bow chicka bow ow.
 
Mr. Jabbapop, let me tell you a story:
Once there was a country whose constitution , veryone agreed, was perfect and everyone absolutely just.
One day however in a lightly populated part of the country a very rare resource was found, which could give billions of people a better live.
The only thing problematic about the situation was that the only place this resource could be harvested was on a holy place of the local religion.
The government, since being totally just, decided to harvest the resource, but without disturbing the religious activities and honouring the believes of the minority.
The leaders, and the most of the religion agreed, however a small minority decided that alone the presence of the harvesting machines was sacrilegious, and started a resistance, if enough people died, they thought, the government had to accept their claims.
So they started killing people of the majority.
One day however they captured a person of whom they knew he had planned an attack, the government decided to threat him with torture, he told what he knew and the attack was prevented.
Everyone, of both majority and minority, agreed that it had been necessary to do so, so the government decided that it was necessary to threat terrorists with torture if it could prevent attacks. And when the threat wasn`t enough, to torture them was also accepted as necessary.
A problem however appeared when the torture wasn`t enough any longer to make the terrorist talk. So the government decided not to give them vegetables, but only meat, which they were not allowed to eat by their religion, until they talked.
The problem was that in the meantime the government had decided to torture everyone suspect, since statistically 10000 people where saved for everyone tortured innocently, and it would have been unjust to save the virtue of one person if you had the chance of saving the live of 10000 instead.
This made the resistance grow, since many people of the minority felt like the majority was not caring about their religion and their virtue at all , being monsters in human shape, torturing them and banning them from paradise, which was given to them if they lived a live following their religious principles.
Then the government, since the terrorists seemed to be everywhere, started to see the entire religion instead of just a part of it as terrorists, and as a consequence forbid it.
This lead to a revolt, since no one of the minority wanted to give up his religion.
The revolt was crushed, and everyone who still believed in the religion of the minority was sent to concentration camps.
This was just, everyone agreed, since it where them who started.
 
I belive that if by torturing one person you can save two, then it is justifiable..... Maybe not etical, maybe not publicly acceptable, but It is the way It should be done.. ( IMO atleast)
Making rules for war is just plain stupid, since there is no garantee that you oponent will follow them..
Like say the law that says that you can't target humans (in a war) with large caliber guns like the .50.... I am a soldier and I know for myself that if I were using a .50 machine gun and a group of enemies charged me, there is no way "I" would put the .50 down and draw my bayonet or side arm...... As my Drill seargant said..." Aim only for material with this gun... Like Cars, generator and uniforms....."
The rules of war are made by politicans who never saw anything worse than a papercut.....
:(
 
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