Slaves
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c0ldst33ltrs4u
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NCR does not tolerate slavery in it's territory, that is why there is a slaver holding pen outside the city, that is where people who own slaves and have business inside the city leave them, for a fee of course.
You said that there aren't that many slaves inside Vault City... News flash: there aren't that many guys/gals wearing jumpsuits either 8). The slaves must are used for cooking, cleaning, gardening, there is one inside the amenities office. They are used in the restaurants, bars or whatever they have there. And just because they are not all shown on the map that doesn't mean they do not exist, like the children in the european version
. And I think the programmers tried to keep a decent number of people on the map, enough to make it look like that is a big town, not too many so that the computer won't have to work overtime to animate them or whatever. These were my 50 cents 
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There's no slavery permitted inside the Shady Sands settlement itself, but who knows how matters are in the more outlying territories? Perhaps the ranchers have slaves there? After all, the slaves held in the slave pen must belong to someone, and must be used for sometnihg - could just as well be ranchers...c0ldst33ltrs4u said:
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I think there could be a difference established between having slaves inside city walls, and having slave trading inside city walls. There's no slave market inside NCR, but that doesn't make it so slaves can't be owned by, say, ranchers.
APTYP said:
AD 1. Right. But perhaps they outlawed slavery just in the capitol and the city-states, not in the entire territory.
AD 2. That must be why the NCR Rangers were estabilished - after all, they are not connected to the government or NCR police, but are what could be called a "non-profit organization"
c0ldst33ltrs4u
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News flash #3 Having a holding facility outside the city limits means they are not stuck-up bastards, same thing for guns, you can have them, just don't wave them. And the Rangers are a tolerated faction, you find the inside NCR, and they are hitting slavers whenever they can, or at least that is what they tell you. From what I gather slavery is somewhat tolerated on the outskirts of NCR because they don't actually have the authority to ban it but the Rangers take care of the problem just as well.
APTYP said:
Vortis must have been an independent enterpreur since he didn't attack enemies of the Slaver Guild and his quest didn't tie in with Metzger in any way
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APTYP said:
I don't know if that is refering to what i said before, but if it is, i'd like to point out that yes, i know that; but i was refering to NCR as the main city-state, i wasn't considering NCR to be just that one city.
The Enclave would go through Metzger because they're trying to keep public awareness of themselves limited. Arroyo was, most likely, an exception because they were making breakthroughs with the FEV and didnt have time to wait for Metzger to produce more slaves.
Also, maybe I missed something, but the idea of enslaving a bunch of Jet users in New Reno either for tests or for general labour doesnt work. Jet addictions or not, if users started being abducted and forced into Slavery then New Reno would begin to clear out pretty quickly, and the Mordino's wouldnt want slaves already addicted to Jet as you cant gauge just how addictive it is if the user was already addicted. Which is to say, theres no way to tell if theres a 100% addiction rate from one hit of Jet if you're testing it on people who are already addicted.
All that aside, you have to put things into perspective. In one of the holodisks you get in Vault City it lists specifics about all the different towns and I believe it said Vault City itself had somewhere near 1000 people. I could be wrong, but either way, no city in the game had that many NPCs. The cities, mechanics-wise, were like an abridged versions of how they'd actually be if they existed in real life. Accepting the Fallout universe on the face value of the games doesnt really do it justice.
Also, maybe I missed something, but the idea of enslaving a bunch of Jet users in New Reno either for tests or for general labour doesnt work. Jet addictions or not, if users started being abducted and forced into Slavery then New Reno would begin to clear out pretty quickly, and the Mordino's wouldnt want slaves already addicted to Jet as you cant gauge just how addictive it is if the user was already addicted. Which is to say, theres no way to tell if theres a 100% addiction rate from one hit of Jet if you're testing it on people who are already addicted.
All that aside, you have to put things into perspective. In one of the holodisks you get in Vault City it lists specifics about all the different towns and I believe it said Vault City itself had somewhere near 1000 people. I could be wrong, but either way, no city in the game had that many NPCs. The cities, mechanics-wise, were like an abridged versions of how they'd actually be if they existed in real life. Accepting the Fallout universe on the face value of the games doesnt really do it justice.
You can come up with a whole lot of explanations when you hear the abductions rumor, from abductees getting themselves in trouble with Mordinos prior to the abduction, to the storyteller being so drugged-out he doesn't know what he remembers. And in an unlikely case an addict will trust abductions rumor, remember that fear of death or slavery doesn't stop illegal immigrants coming from Asia.
Let me reiterate - I would agree if slavery wasn't such an important thing in FO2. The developers put a lot of effort to establish it as an institution. Lack of strongly identifiable evidence that supports a need for slavery is a shortcoming on gamedesigners' part.
I am not claiming that there should be no slaves in Fallout universe, or that there is no demand for slaves in FO2. What I am saying is that the examples of slave labor in the game do not appear to justify such a large focus on slavery.
I'd go for Mordinos, they're still uh, using up a lot of slaves in the Stables. The Enclave, perhaps they were buying slaves earlier - for their mining operation in Mariposa or for the FEV testing, but this is unlikely, as they needed very specific populations - the Vault 13 control group descendants - and we know they used their own squads to capture them on both occasions.
The Mordino's are using a lot of slaves, but the number of fatalaties should be relatively low considering they have the mix right and they're just working on improving it. I don't think it would be enough to justify Metzger stopping sales to the public. Also what's up with Vortis's slaves? Why can't you buy those?
A Den slaver:
{189}{}{What cities buy your slaves?}
{225}{}{We sell most of our slaves to Vault City and New Reno. New Reno is
south east of here and most of the Den trades with it.}
A Vault City citizen:
{159}{}{Ghouls are useful slaves. They ain’t got enough minds of their own to be people, but they ain’t worth killin’, either. I don’t support the killin’ of ghouls.}
We haven't seen any ghoul slaves in the city, which means that they use them for slave labor somewhere outside the town.
You can also sell your party members to Mordinos.
{189}{}{What cities buy your slaves?}
{225}{}{We sell most of our slaves to Vault City and New Reno. New Reno is
south east of here and most of the Den trades with it.}
A Vault City citizen:
{159}{}{Ghouls are useful slaves. They ain’t got enough minds of their own to be people, but they ain’t worth killin’, either. I don’t support the killin’ of ghouls.}
We haven't seen any ghoul slaves in the city, which means that they use them for slave labor somewhere outside the town.
You can also sell your party members to Mordinos.
El Chupacabra
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Chosen One:
{Some of my best friends are slavers}
{Some of my best friends are slavers}