smaller fonts?

looking good! but i must admit i am still having a problem with the font size - still too big no?

you are not using any custom fonts are you? i think that's when the problem appears, at first i thought i messed up something, but then nirok reported the exact same thing :

Nirok said:
I just have been restarting it about 10 times now and i cant get it all functioning, sometimes there is no text on the menu, sometimes there is text but cant select anything, other times there is no text, but selection boxes still appear when you roll the mouse over. other times it all seems to work in the menu, but then speech text does not appear. seems odd to me that it loads differently each time and It seems to be getting worse for me.
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it is weird, i thought it was my imagination at first, but yes, it acually seems to occur more and more often :(
 
buckshot123 said:
looking good! but i must admit i am still having a problem with the font size - still too big no?

you are not using any custom fonts are you? i think that's when the problem appears, at first i thought i messed up something, but then nirok reported the exact same thing :

Nirok said:
I just have been restarting it about 10 times now and i cant get it all functioning, sometimes there is no text on the menu, sometimes there is text but cant select anything, other times there is no text, but selection boxes still appear when you roll the mouse over. other times it all seems to work in the menu, but then speech text does not appear. seems odd to me that it loads differently each time and It seems to be getting worse for me.
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it is weird, i thought it was my imagination at first, but yes, it acually seems to occur more and more often :(
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Hmm. Sounds like some issues that existed in Oblivion as well. I don't recall why that happened. I had a report on this pretty recently. Will check.

As for using a custom font:
barter_menu_darn.jpg

The text at the top where it says "ITEMS" and "Jenny Stahl" is the smallest font that ships with the game. Everything except for those two and the lower right buttons is using a new font (FranKleinMedium_16.fnt).
 
aah, cool! so you did use a custom font without issues?
hmmm, weird, did you include .dds versions of the font as well? the .dds files in textures.bsa are a little suspicious...

...heh, you wouldn't happen to have FranKleinMedium_10.fnt in your repertoir, would you? *hint,hint,nudge,nudge* ;)
 
DarN said:
Hey hey, Theo! New nick?

The fonts have dds files as well in addition to the fnt and tex. Not sure why that is...
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Hey DarN. Welcome. Yeah, same nick on this and official forum.

DDS seems useless other than a nice preview of whats in the font. You can export and convert dds from my tool but no real point.

Love your UI and am looking forward to using it. Was using someone else's but I you have great attention to detail so bring it on.

I think we ruled out that you needed powers of 2 last time around (512, 1024, ...) but I'm sure it can't hurt.
 
buckshot123 said:
aah, cool! so you did use a custom font without issues?
hmmm, weird, did you include .dds versions of the font as well? the .dds files in textures.bsa are a little suspicious...

...heh, you wouldn't happen to have FranKleinMedium_10.fnt in your repertoir, would you? *hint,hint,nudge,nudge* ;)
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Didn't include any dds files. Wouldn't know how either. They display the font in what looks like a random shuffle. It reminded me of the hacking actually...

Size 10 seems awfully small, but I'll whip one up for you shortly. :)

TheHologram said:
DarN said:
Hey hey, Theo! New nick?

The fonts have dds files as well in addition to the fnt and tex. Not sure why that is...
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Hey DarN. Welcome. Yeah, same nick on this and official forum.

DDS seems useless other than a nice preview of whats in the font. You can export and convert dds from my tool but no real point.

Love your UI and am looking forward to using it. Was using someone else's but I you have great attention to detail so bring it on.

I think we ruled out that you needed powers of 2 last time around (512, 1024, ...) but I'm sure it can't hurt.
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They must have done some work on the font engine. All I do is load the font, select Ascent Metric, and we're golden:
fg1.jpg

No pow2 or anything required I think.
 
talk about a drastic improvement!

now, how about those dialogue options? :P chop chop!
 
SuAside said:
talk about a drastic improvement!

now, how about those dialogue options? :P chop chop!
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Already treated the dialog menu somehwhat. That was before I made any fonts though.

Here's a quick test with font size 14:
barter_menu_darn_small.jpg

It gave me room for two more items in the lists. Ignore any resulting layout in the image - 'tis just a test right now. Still readable?

If anyone feels like testing, the WIP thread is here.
 
Theo:

YPOS looks to be pretty close to actual font size for F3. Tested with size 10, 14 and 16. Came up with 10, 14.2 and 16 for YPOS.

This is with FranKleinMedium

edit: 12 = 12.1
 
wooonderful! thank you darn!

oooh, font generator 1.14? the latest i can find is theo's 1.13, not sure what nad02 is using but we're both having restart issues, and now we know it's nothing to do with the .dds files, could it be the generator? and now for the obvious question : is it available somewhere? ;)
 
How do you install these fonts, at teh moment I am using teh minimal UI mod which is great, however I hav to restart teh game numerous times, before all teh text in teh game is working properly. Does this smaller custom font have the same problem? Thanks for your help

Edit:

sorry i didnt see the WIP link
 
buckshot123 said:
wooonderful! thank you darn!

oooh, font generator 1.14? the latest i can find is theo's 1.13, not sure what nad02 is using but we're both having restart issues, and now we know it's nothing to do with the .dds files, could it be the generator? and now for the obvious question : is it available somewhere? ;)
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1.14 is a test version Theo made for me a while ago. It enables you to color the font directly without having to set the color in xml. Changes:
v 1.14
o Moved Shadow settings to Advanced Font Settings form.
o Added Fore Color to Advanced Font Settings
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Don't know if there are any undocumented features besides that, but the proggy works well here. If Theo doesn't mind, I could upload a version for you.

Nirok said:
How do you install these fonts, at teh moment I am using teh minimal UI mod which is great, however I hav to restart teh game numerous times, before all teh text in teh game is working properly. Does this smaller custom font have the same problem? Thanks for your help

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sorry i didnt see the WIP link
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I haven't noticed any issues, but then again I restart the game all the time while modding...
 
No problem. I dont intend to alter it any further if everything can be worked around. Heck I lost my harddrive earlier this year and I don t think I even have that release available only the 1.12 version (last known backup of that drive).
 
great!
darn, whenever you can find the time, i would be very grateful if you could create a dl link, PM or send me a mail or anything. (buckshot123[at]gmail.com).

...would be nice to know what's causing trouble :)
 
hah! voila! :shock:

that did the trick!
just tested 6 times with verdana_10 and verdana_14 without issues! sweet!
thanks guys!!!
 
I find this ironic as the 360 version, which I'm playing until I can upgrade my computer to be able to run FO3 (and Left 4 Dead... ;3), has font that feels too SMALL for ease in reading from a distance farther than you would on a computer screen.

Also on another note, why does everyone use blue for their menus in the PC version? I prefer the classic green myself.
 
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