So if Caesar had won, what would happen next?

[CT Phipps]

Say that the Courier allows a Legion victory and they manage to get to New Vegas and establish their dominion over the place.

Is Caesar's plan nonsense from here?

Even if they remove his brain tumor?

Or does he have a chance to conquer NCR and implement his dialectic.

 

[PaxVenire]

I think they have a pretty damn good chance. In the Legion run, the NCR loses their President, General, and some of their top strategists like Hanlon. We also see the Legion has infiltrated the NCR through operatives like Ronald Curtis, so seeds are already planted. The Mojave essentially becomes a staging area for the Legion's invasion of the West.

 

[CT Phipps]

I think they have a pretty damn good chance. In the Legion run, the NCR loses their President, General, and some of their top strategists like Hanlon. We also see the Legion has infiltrated the NCR through operatives like Ronald Curtis, so seeds are already planted. The Mojave essentially becomes a staging area for the Legion's invasion of the West.

I'm going from the perspective that NCR's economy is 3 times the size of the Legions, a modern military, and the only reason the Legion is winning in the Mojave is the utter incompetence of Oliver.

 

[Resardiv]

They might defeat the NCR in the Mojave, but not a chance they'll conquer or defeat the NCR in California. If the NCR, with modern technology and TRAINS, can't supply an expeditionary force in Mojave, the Legion would be in an even worse situation pushing west. Their supply system, which is slaves, would die on the march like the Spanish tercios did when they tried to pacify the Apache tribes. Arguably the Legion would be in an even worse situation as they lack horses and other beasts of burden.

The Legion also lacks tactical mobility with no motorized or mechanized formations, which the NCR has. So even if they somehow got a supplied force into California, they would not be able to concentrate their forces. They can't choose which battle to take as they can't pin the NCR in place as they did in the Mojave. A smaller, more mobile NCR formation would defeat the Legion.

 

[Hardboiled Android]

I think the whole thing would be settled very shortly after the Legion takes the Mojave. Once they punch through the mountains, the next target is the Hub in the middle of the California High Desert, on a direct path from Long 15. The Hub, as it tied the Wasteland together in Fallout 1, ties together NCR, dividing it in three. To the north, you have the political center of the State of Shady (along with Junktown). To the south is the industrial capital in the Boneyard, along with Dayglow. To the west is the presumptive agricultural center, the more-recently acquired Central Valley, with the state of Maxson, Sac-Town, and the Redding Territory (presumably also where most of the fighting of the NCR-Brotherhood War is).

The Hub itself, the economic and logistical center of NCR, presumably ties the country together with its roads and rail networks. If you take that, NCR is cut in three, cut off from each other and able to be taken piecemeal without coordination or supplies between the thirds. Once the Hub is taken I presume Caesar will want to go for Shady Sands first, take out the political center and break the will of the south and the valley to fight. The Legion moves up the valley itself, just a straight flat line without many natural defenses. Lightly settled with the Brotherhood pocketed throughout, the Central Valley will crumble pretty easily. It migth fall apart without the Legion even entering it, just from political chaos and the Brotherhood staging breakout raids from their bunkers and hidden outposts.

Surrounded by mountains and compact, Boneyard-Dayglow would be a tougher nut to crack, and it might take a few years. But there's a lot of different entrance points, and now with the captured materiel of at least the Hub and the state of Shady behind it, the Legion will eventually find a weak link and rush in like a flood (assuming, of course, Caesar doesn't die first).

The battle for the Hub itself would probably be pre-saged by a Battle of Barstow. This is where Long 15 and Interstate 40 meet, Interstate 40 being an alternative route for Caesar's armies for Arizona. Control of Barstow would also allow Caesar to block any NCR reinforcements or flanking from the Boneyard/Dayglow, they'd be forced to take the long way through Santa Clarita. And once Barstow's taken, it's just two days march from the Hub itself.

Now, does the Legion win the Battle of Barstow or the Battle of the Hub? I think not. As others mention, the NCR has superior mobility/maneuver to the Legion, not only does it have mechanized units it also has rail infrastructure in its heartland. While the NCR failed to utilize it's mechanized capacity in the eastern Mojave, now that the Legion is advancing into its core territory they'll have to pull their heads out. And since the Legion is now marching into the part of NCR supplied by rail lines, they'll be shocked at how quickly the Californians are able to get men and materiel in place.

During the week's march from the mountain pass to Barstow, I think the NCR will turn the tables on Caesar and harass him the whole way down. If Caesar attempts to campaign through the desert to obviate ambushes and attacks, he'll find himself outmaneuvered by mechanized NCR forces in the wide open high desert. He'll have to stick to Long 15 and Interstate 40, dealing with attacks and needling the whole time. And the NCR will be ready for him at Barstow.

 

[Resardiv]

The issue that crippled the NCR in the Mojave was the stagnant front; they lacked the necessary resources to conduct major and decisive operations, in which they would be able to utilise all their strengths. Instead, they were forced to spread their forces thin and hand the initiative to the Legion. This enabled the Legion to choose when, where and how to fight, neutralising the NCR's greatest strengths and advantages.

You can draw many similarities to the US in Vietnam. IRL, the US learned its lesson. It stopped drip-feeding manpower and military resources over many years; they shifted to decisive battles to crush their enemy in one swoop, as in Operation Desert Storm.

If the NCR has major logistical issues supplying its expeditionary force in Vegas, how can the Legion be expected to conduct successful operations in California when they rely on Stone Age transportation? They can't use the watershed of the Colorado River for logistical support as it doesn't flow into California proper. What could the Legion ever do against mechanized formations? Its forces would be sitting (and starving) ducks.

 

[CT Phipps]

The issue that crippled the NCR in the Mojave was the stagnant front; they lacked the necessary resources to conduct major and decisive operations, in which they would be able to utilise all their strengths. Instead, they were forced to spread their forces thin and hand the initiative to the Legion. This enabled the Legion to choose when, where and how to fight, neutralising the NCR's greatest strengths and advantages.

You can draw many similarities to the US in Vietnam. IRL, the US learned its lesson. It stopped drip-feeding manpower and military resources over many years; they shifted to decisive battles to crush their enemy in one swoop, as in Operation Desert Storm.

If the NCR has major logistical issues supplying its expeditionary force in Vegas, how can the Legion be expected to conduct successful operations in California when they rely on Stone Age transportation? They can't use the watershed of the Colorado River for logistical support as it doesn't flow into California proper. What could the Legion ever do against mechanized formations? Its forces would be sitting (and starving) ducks.

I'd actually argue that its the opposite of spreading its forces too thin but refusal to engage the Legion at all. NCR doesn't do anything about the destruction of Nipton despite being within visual distance of a major NCR base. Oliver wants a Second Battle of Hoover Dam when it has a military large enough to engage the Legion and its encampments throughout but they are sitting still and thus vulnerable to Caesar attacking their supply lines and making local alliances throughout.

If it had been spreading itself out more and engaging, it might well have won the attrition.

 

[PaxVenire]

They might defeat the NCR in the Mojave, but not a chance they'll conquer or defeat the NCR in California. If the NCR, with modern technology and TRAINS, can't supply an expeditionary force in Mojave, the Legion would be in an even worse situation pushing west. Their supply system, which is slaves, would die on the march like the Spanish tercios did when they tried to pacify the Apache tribes. Arguably the Legion would be in an even worse situation as they lack horses and other beasts of burden.

The Legion also lacks tactical mobility with no motorized or mechanized formations, which the NCR has. So even if they somehow got a supplied force into California, they would not be able to concentrate their forces. They can't choose which battle to take as they can't pin the NCR in place as they did in the Mojave. A smaller, more mobile NCR formation would defeat the Legion.

I think the whole thing would be settled very shortly after the Legion takes the Mojave. Once they punch through the mountains, the next target is the Hub in the middle of the California High Desert, on a direct path from Long 15. The Hub, as it tied the Wasteland together in Fallout 1, ties together NCR, dividing it in three. To the north, you have the political center of the State of Shady (along with Junktown). To the south is the industrial capital in the Boneyard, along with Dayglow. To the west is the presumptive agricultural center, the more-recently acquired Central Valley, with the state of Maxson, Sac-Town, and the Redding Territory (presumably also where most of the fighting of the NCR-Brotherhood War is).

The Hub itself, the economic and logistical center of NCR, presumably ties the country together with its roads and rail networks. If you take that, NCR is cut in three, cut off from each other and able to be taken piecemeal without coordination or supplies between the thirds. Once the Hub is taken I presume Caesar will want to go for Shady Sands first, take out the political center and break the will of the south and the valley to fight. The Legion moves up the valley itself, just a straight flat line without many natural defenses. Lightly settled with the Brotherhood pocketed throughout, the Central Valley will crumble pretty easily. It migth fall apart without the Legion even entering it, just from political chaos and the Brotherhood staging breakout raids from their bunkers and hidden outposts.

Surrounded by mountains and compact, Boneyard-Dayglow would be a tougher nut to crack, and it might take a few years. But there's a lot of different entrance points, and now with the captured materiel of at least the Hub and the state of Shady behind it, the Legion will eventually find a weak link and rush in like a flood (assuming, of course, Caesar doesn't die first).

The battle for the Hub itself would probably be pre-saged by a Battle of Barstow. This is where Long 15 and Interstate 40 meet, Interstate 40 being an alternative route for Caesar's armies for Arizona. Control of Barstow would also allow Caesar to block any NCR reinforcements or flanking from the Boneyard/Dayglow, they'd be forced to take the long way through Santa Clarita. And once Barstow's taken, it's just two days march from the Hub itself.

Now, does the Legion win the Battle of Barstow or the Battle of the Hub? I think not. As others mention, the NCR has superior mobility/maneuver to the Legion, not only does it have mechanized units it also has rail infrastructure in its heartland. While the NCR failed to utilize it's mechanized capacity in the eastern Mojave, now that the Legion is advancing into its core territory they'll have to pull their heads out. And since the Legion is now marching into the part of NCR supplied by rail lines, they'll be shocked at how quickly the Californians are able to get men and materiel in place.

During the week's march from the mountain pass to Barstow, I think the NCR will turn the tables on Caesar and harass him the whole way down. If Caesar attempts to campaign through the desert to obviate ambushes and attacks, he'll find himself outmaneuvered by mechanized NCR forces in the wide open high desert. He'll have to stick to Long 15 and Interstate 40, dealing with attacks and needling the whole time. And the NCR will be ready for him at Barstow.

While these are fair points, I think this applies more to a Legion led by Lanius rather than Caesar. Caesar is one smart fucker and knows the NCR like the back of his hand having been born and raised right in it and spending the past few decades preparing for the day he inevitably clashes with them. As the OP implies the Legion was bolstered by the Courier, we can safely assume Caesar's enemies in the Mojave are destroyed or are subjects of the Legion. While the NCR can always replace a President and General, the death of Hanlon is shown to break the NCR Rangers, turning them into a sad shadow of themselves. As Caesar said, the dam is his Rubicon and Vegas it’s Rome. I doubt that Caesar would be stupid enough to just march his Power Fist and Machete wielding army down the Long 15 and into the maws of the Hub. No, Caesar is smarter than that. With the NCR driven out of the Mojave, Caesar gets to work absorbing the state of Nevada, most likely moving north into Nevada to connect with his territories in the Four Corners Commonwealth, gaining more tribes and slaves under his banner including the 80s who provide him with mechanized maneuverability. All the while he sends Frumentarii to exploitable NCR territories using people’s desire for profit and power over loyalty to their flag against them. Cities like New Reno especially would be prime targets for infiltration and subversion, but also the Hub, the Boneyard, and Shady Sands can be influenced. He’s already shown to be this meticulous once with Captain Ronald Curtis at Camp McCarran, he will do it again with the NCR. Crimson Caravan and the Van Graffs would easily switch sides to the Legion were they to hold the blackmail of the caravan raids over their heads. Caesar’s invasion of the west will be less literal at first and more of a cancer, poking, prodding, and turning the country against itself one cell at a time until the time where the NCR is destabilized enough for the actual invasion to come to pass. And when the time comes to actually invade the NCR I highly doubt they will do so carrying machetes into battle against the modern NCR military. In his dialectics, Caesar talks about synthesis coming from his thesis with the Legion and antithesis with the NCR. The synthesis I think would begin when Vegas is taken and his Legion goes from one giant tribe warring with sticks to his idealized post-nuclear Roman Empire.

 

[Iprovidelittlepianos]

Are we to assume that Caesar will make no attempt at modernization once Vegas and Hoover Dam are under his control? He makes it seem like once he has his “Rome”, that’s when his empire really starts. It’ll go from a massive roving band of barbarians (much like Rome’s enemies, as Caesar points out, though I think a comparison to Sparta is more fitting, misogyny notwithstanding) to a real power that can actually rival the NCR on (somewhat) equal footing.

Now, I’m not entirely sure how conquering Vegas helps him do this. Sure, he wants a shining opulent city as his capital, a symbol of his power, a point of cultural pride for his people, but in terms of practicality, what does Vegas actually offer? Vegas’s wealth comes from its tourism industry, supported by all manner of vices. Vices that Caesar doesn’t care for his empire to have access to (not yet, at least). We don’t see any pre-existing manufacturing base in the city proper. Maybe in the ruins surrounding it. But it seems like it’ll take a lot of work to turn Vegas into the industrial powerhouse he needs to properly equip an army. I suppose Vegas has the advantage of direct access to Hoover Dam’s practically unlimited electricity (unlimited compared to what post-war societies will need for the foreseeable future).

 

[CT Phipps]

Are we to assume that Caesar will make no attempt at modernization once Vegas and Hoover Dam are under his control? He makes it seem like once he has his “Rome”, that’s when his empire really starts. It’ll go from a massive roving band of barbarians (much like Rome’s enemies, as Caesar points out, though I think a comparison to Sparta is more fitting, misogyny notwithstanding) to a real power that can actually rival the NCR on (somewhat) equal footing.

It depends whether we think Caesar's Luddism is an essential part of his philosophy or not. I'm entirely alright with the idea that Caesar thinks that going back to nature and a Pre-Industrial society to survive the Wasteland is actually his goal. Basically, he's already using "Medicine Powder" over actual medicine.

 

[Resardiv]

I'd actually argue that its the opposite of spreading its forces too thin but refusal to engage the Legion at all. NCR doesn't do anything about the destruction of Nipton despite being within visual distance of a major NCR base. Oliver wants a Second Battle of Hoover Dam when it has a military large enough to engage the Legion and its encampments throughout but they are sitting still and thus vulnerable to Caesar attacking their supply lines and making local alliances throughout.

If it had been spreading itself out more and engaging, it might well have won the attrition.

You're missing the crucial part; that the NCR hands the Legion the operational and tactical initiatives in the Mojave. Even if the NCR has greater force than the Legion, it can't concentrate all its units in one place when the Legion attacks. That's why Legion raids are so effective; they decide where and with what forces to engage the NCR.

A large number of NCR units are bound up in patrols and occupation duties far from the front. This prevents them from being used as mobile QRFs that can reinforce attacked positions.

See the attatched video.

While the NCR can always replace a President and General, the death of Hanlon is shown to break the NCR Rangers, turning them into a sad shadow of themselves.

The Rangers are indeed distraught after the death of Hanlon, but I don't believe the organisation would be forever crippled. It's a Brigade with four battalions, which means that there are other competent officers can take his place. One man can't lead a brigade on his own; the organisations effectivenes is the reasult of insitutiuonal competence.

All the while he sends Frumentarii to exploitable NCR territories using people’s desire for profit and power over loyalty to their flag against them. Cities like New Reno especially would be prime targets for infiltration and subversion, but also the Hub, the Boneyard, and Shady Sands can be influenced. He’s already shown to be this meticulous once with Captain Ronald Curtis at Camp McCarran, he will do it again with the NCR. Crimson Caravan and the Van Graffs would easily switch sides to the Legion were they to hold the blackmail of the caravan raids over their heads. Caesar’s invasion of the west will be less literal at first and more of a cancer, poking, prodding, and turning the country against itself one cell at a time until the time where the NCR is destabilized enough for the actual invasion to come to pass

Why would private companies accept the rule of an autocrat who can take their possessions away with just the whim of his hand? That's why Russian oligarchs invest in Western Europe as they know their fortune is safe there from the hands of the Tsar. If you're used to living in a free country, there are so many things you don't even think about that you take for granted, like property rights. The NCR wouldn't lay on its back and do nothing about Legion infiltration. Expect the population and government to act against it.

And when the time comes to actually invade the NCR I highly doubt they will do so carrying machetes into battle against the modern NCR military. In his dialectics, Caesar talks about synthesis coming from his thesis with the Legion and antithesis with the NCR. The synthesis I think would begin when Vegas is taken and his Legion goes from one giant tribe warring with sticks to his idealized post-nuclear Roman Empire.

I believe you underestimate the power of democracies and people's unity for a cause. The Mojave campaign isn't popular because it's seen as a faraway war that's wasting men and material. But in an existential war for the survival of the NCR, people will defend their homes and the right to self-determination. The NCR has been a state for almost a hundred years; for most of her citizens, it's the only thing they've known.
Why would ordinary people, especially women, accept the Legion's message and political beliefs?
It's one thing to talk about synthesizing Bear-Bull, East and West, but implementing those changes would take generations if it's even possible. Institutions run deep; their memories can't be changed on a dime and leave traces for decades and centuries.

 

[PaxVenire]

Crimson Caravan and the Van Graffs would easily switch sides to the Legion were they to hold the blackmail of the caravan raids over their heads.

I want to addendum this sentence as it’s very poorly worded and I think crippled my point. I don’t mean switch sides to the Legion as in Alice McLafferty and Gloria Van Graff would start openly making weapons and giving supplies for the Legion to invade the west like a bad Saturday morning cartoon. More that the Legion would take note of their misdoings and send infiltrators to the company to take down the figureheads but pilot the ship thereafter.

Why would private companies accept the rule of an autocrat who can take their possessions away with just the whim of his hand? That's why Russian oligarchs invest in Western Europe as they know their fortune is safe there from the hands of the Tsar.

Accept the rule? I don’t think so, obviously Frumentarii wouldn’t march into NCR territory with Legion uniforms and demand corporations come work for Caesar. Frumentarii are infiltrators, they’d join the ranks of companies and use the NCR’s corruption against itself.

If you're used to living in a free country, there are so many things you don't even think about that you take for granted, like property rights. The NCR wouldn't lay on its back and do nothing about Legion infiltration. Expect the population and government to act against it.

The NCR wouldn’t “lay on its back and do nothing” against Legion infiltration. That’s the point of the Frumentarii, to infiltrate as normal people within the NCR’s society and drive elements of it into disarray creating a bigger picture of instability from small actions. If the thought of a corrupt individual being aligned with the Legion even crosses the mind of the NCR, it means the Frumentarii in question were incompetent enough to give away their position. That’s not the case nor the point. The Frumentarii’s purpose in such an infiltration is to destabilize the NCR little by little by exploiting weaknesses in its democracy, not go to college campuses and preach about how cool the Legion is.

I believe you underestimate the power of democracies and people's unity for a cause. The Mojave campaign isn't popular because it's seen as a faraway war that's wasting men and material. But in an existential war for the survival of the NCR, people will defend their homes and the right to self-determination. The NCR has been a state for almost a hundred years; for most of her citizens, it's the only thing they've known.
Why would ordinary people, especially women, accept the Legion's message and political beliefs?

Which is exactly why Caesar wouldn’t be stupid enough to just take his Legion at its current state into New California but rather plan out its long term sabotage and destabilization. To the people back home in New California, the Mojave was Kimball’s war. The Legion are a boogeyman to the common folk the same way the Commies were to Americans at home during Vietnam. I expect after a Legion victory at the Dam, the NCR wouldn’t want to waste any more of their resources and loved ones fighting this boogeyman any more than Caesar would want to throw his decades-long work into the meat grinder.

It's one thing to talk about synthesizing Bear-Bull, East and West, but implementing those changes would take generations if it's even possible. Institutions run deep; their memories can't be changed on a dime and leave traces for decades and centuries.

Caesar realizes this. He makes it very clear that taking New Vegas is his real goal with his long term goal being synthesizing the NCR and his Legion into a true post-war Empire that eliminates the weaknesses found in both factions. Much like Caesar who crossed the Rubicon but died before he could see the Pax Romana, Caesar doesn’t expect in his lifetime to see this long term goal. He’s not an idiot, he knows he can’t invade the west and beat the NCR militarily nor will they bend the knee to him like some comic book villain. Therefore he’ll have to play it smart and from a distance. He tells the Courier that the NCR emulating a failed country that destroyed itself means the new country has already failed. Ironic that he emulates his Legion after ancient Rome, but that’s the point of the synthesis, to make anew using the strengths of the failed but powerful.

 

[Hardboiled Android]

Caesar realizes this. He makes it very clear that taking New Vegas is his real goal with his long term goal being synthesizing the NCR and his Legion into a true post-war Empire that eliminates the weaknesses found in both factions. Much like Caesar who crossed the Rubicon but died before he could see the Pax Romana, Caesar doesn’t expect in his lifetime to see this long term goal. He’s not an idiot, he knows he can’t invade the west and beat the NCR militarily nor will they bend the knee to him like some comic book villain. Therefore he’ll have to play it smart and from a distance. He tells the Courier that the NCR emulating a failed country that destroyed itself means the new country has already failed. Ironic that he emulates his Legion after ancient Rome, but that’s the point of the synthesis, to make anew using the strengths of the failed but powerful.

I agree that Caesar doesn't expect to see the completion of the dialectical process, which is to say the cohesive merger of the NCR and Legion into a single culture. But I think he knows that he needs to live to actually make things inevitable, which is to say actually launch the invasion of NCR. Once he's gone, there's no guarantee that his Legion will hold together. He doesn't have time to dick around in the eastern Mojave for a crash-course industrialization, nevermind the rest of his empire, or to spend time conquering Nevada (mostly a wasteland). If he's going to make this thing happen, he's gotta make this thing happen.

 

[PaxVenire]

He doesn't have time to dick around in the eastern Mojave for a crash-course industrialization, nevermind the rest of his empire, or to spend time conquering Nevada (mostly a wasteland). If he's going to make this thing happen, he's gotta make this thing happen.

Really crazy idea, but would Caesar be able or willing to eventually put himself into House's stasis chamber and act as the deified immortal his Legion's tribesmen see him as? Cuz if so, time is not a problem for him.

 

[Hardboiled Android]

Really crazy idea, but would Caesar be able or willing to eventually put himself into House's stasis chamber and act as the deified immortal his Legion's tribesmen see him as? Cuz if so, time is not a problem for him.

LOL, good lateral thinking, never considered that before. I think if he were true to his own principles that he wouldn't do such a thing, it would foreclose the ability of history to develop organically into a stronger form, instead continuously being aa weak projection of his own will and subjectivity that will collapse at the first power outage, or the first time someone from his harem decides its their turn and runs the disinfection routine on old Eddy. But a lot of Caesar's philosophy is just cope to justify his vain self-actualization, so he very well might end up doing something so craven and hypocritical.

Aside from that, in terms of ftechnology - I expect that Caesar probably would mobilize the Strip's Securitrons to his cause. There are after all let-over voice files rom the planned but abandoned post-end game where Securitrons say "True to Caesar". Given that the Strip is no longer a tourist destination and Caesar doesn't have much of a problem with compliance, the Securitrons could be deployed on campaign against New California. Would be the closest thing Caesaar has to a mechanized division.

 

[PaxVenire]

But a lot of Caesar's philosophy is just cope to justify his vain self-actualization, so he very well might end up doing something so craven and hypocritical.

One thing to point out would be his hypocrisy when it comes to the Auto-Doc in his tent which cures the mighty Caesar of his tumor, a machine he bestows as a gift to his most loyal and effective troops as well. He isn't against being a hypocrite so long as his hypocrisy benefits the Legion, in which I believe if he's willing to submit himself to the Auto-Doc to see the taking of Vegas, he'd probably be willing to become the Wizard of Oz with House's technology.

Aside from that, in terms of ftechnology - I expect that Caesar probably would mobilize the Strip's Securitrons to his cause. There are after all let-over voice files rom the planned but abandoned post-end game where Securitrons say "True to Caesar". Given that the Strip is no longer a tourist destination and Caesar doesn't have much of a problem with compliance, the Securitrons could be deployed on campaign against New California. Would be the closest thing Caesaar has to a mechanized division.

I wish there were a dialogue option in the game where the Courier can inform Caesar of what's below the Fort so that Caesar can decide what to do rather than shooing you away until it's destroyed. I'm certain if he knew about the army under his feet, he'd perhaps not activate them, but save it for a rainy day. A day in which as you say, he decides to mechanize his Legion.

…or to spend time conquering Nevada (mostly a wasteland).

Going back to this for a second, while you're right in that there's mostly wasteland in the Nevada, there's also many tribes he has yet to conquer that can bolster his Legion, amongst them the 80s who he's kicked out of Utah and are ripe for conquest, motorbikes and all. Just as he made servants of the Hangdogs and their mongrels, I can see him making servants and perhaps even a mobile division out of the 80s.

 

[Golbolco]

Really crazy idea, but would Caesar be able or willing to eventually put himself into House's stasis chamber and act as the deified immortal his Legion's tribesmen see him as? Cuz if so, time is not a problem for him.

This idea is so intriguing that I've already begun drafting an RPG campaign pitch for one of my groups based on it, taking heavy inspiration from God-Emperor of Dune and the first Wasteland. Very good call.

 

[PaxVenire]

This idea is so intriguing that I've already begun drafting an RPG campaign pitch for one of my groups based on it, taking heavy inspiration from God-Emperor of Dune and the first Wasteland. Very good call.

That's awesome! If it goes anywhere I'd love to hear what you come up with.

 

[CT Phipps]

While intriguing, I feel it falls into the category of Caesar being a lot smarter than he is.

He's not the super genius house is in technology and probably wouldn't know how to operate it or have someone who could do it for him.

Arcade Ganon would just flush him.

 

[CT Phipps]

I wonder if Hopeville's destruction also screwed with NCR's ability to resupply itself.