Social Impact of gaming?

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by welsh, Aug 5, 2005.

  1. welsh

    welsh This ghoul has seen it all

    Apr 5, 2003
    Yikes! Even the Economist is getting into this debate.

    So the social impact of gaming- is it bad or are all things that are supposed to be bad for you actually good?

    Duh! Mindless Zombies! Of course anyone who ever played Age of Kings learns nothing.

    and who is playing these games?

    back to the article-

    "War.... War never changes." Probably most famous quote from that actor.

    Yes, but if gaming is limited to consoles, they will always be less than what they are capable of being.

    Bitch! Didn't you hear them when they said the same thing about rock'n'roll! Have you no memory!

    Honestly, kids are not that innocent. Not after having survived a generation in which their parents are into their second or third marraige.

    And then there was the sex and drugs in Fallout....

    But hey, violence is still Ok.
    The old farts don't like it because they SUCK!

    I swear, this group of freaks would have us all watching fucking teletubbies.

    Ok, old people and gaming. Now this is a disaster waiting to happen. Sorry but most of the old folks I know who are into gaming play slot machines in casinoes, drinking their scotch and giving their pensions and retirements to the casino operators. Which is great for Don Trumph but is a fucking waste to the rest of us. Considering the millions that get pissed away in the casinos, I think that's a bigger problem.

    So instead of screwing the computer gamers, which at least support a technologically competitive market, why not just pry all those old blue haired ladies from their slot machines, take them to the wall and shoot them. Or force them to learn how to play Grand Theft Auto.

    It will as the old people start to die off. give it about 20 years.


    Note that there is an inherent assumption, that gaming will lead to bad results.
    But the alternative is not considered- that gaming may actually produce positive side benefits.

    Consider for instance- you want to beat your bosses head in with a hammer. Instead you take a pulse rifle to some mutant scum. But for your pulse rifle and the mutant scum, might you have not beaten your bosses head in with a hammer?

    One's ontology shapes one's epistemology.

    Alas, this is one of the great parts of Fallout....

    Worse. The problem of films is that they are generally passive entertainment and often sold to a rather stupid audience. Games are at least active and require interaction.

    Which is a foolish move for Democrats.

    Thus death to the old generation will dispell the stereotypes.

    Porno Holograms...... Hmmmm......
     
  2. Rev. Layle

    Rev. Layle A Smooth-Skin

    667
    Jul 26, 2005
    that whole 18-49 age range in that first pie chart seems a bit to broad of a range to cover.

    Perosnally I would like see it broken down into 18-25, 26-35, 36+ or something like that.
     
  3. DirtyDreamDesigner

    DirtyDreamDesigner Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Moderator

    Apr 15, 2005
    Yes, and playing video games for most of my life has reduced my attention span so I can't be bothered to read the second half of most of Welshes post. :mrgreen:
     
  4. calculon000

    calculon000 Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 10, 2004
    I am siging these remarks because they are so god damn true.

    Many criticisms that politicians have for the purposes of political opportunism are complete bullshit. I wish you could just tattoo the crime vs game sales chart to the forehead of every critic of gaming and never have to hear them babble on about the subject again.
     
  5. Max Demian

    Max Demian It Wandered In From the Wastes

    104
    Apr 28, 2005
    One major long-term impact of demographically proliferated game-playing beginning at very young ages is the inherently “untrue” perspectives of reality people will be acquiring and shaping their lives to. When one recreates reality into a virtual simulation (a typical computer game, if you will) he necessarily does so according to his (or theirs) perception of actuality, that is he interprets for us what he thinks the world around him is. An inherently error-prone process, similar in resemblance to the A/D conversion – which actually is not quite far from what today’s science seems to be saying. Thus it is necessary to control the type of content children can get their hands on, and in certain cases parental surveillance and interpretation should be necessitated. Especially so when it comes to sexual content of the more unorthodox type, i.e. sexual perversions. The libidinal drive is hardly dormant in children, it’s merely suppressed by the moral authority of their parents and superiors and it is quite possible that excessive viewing of such “behavior” could lead to early neurosis in a world that discourages sexual interaction amongst adolescents and prepubescents.
    The other problem I see is that games seem to offer a sort of escape from reality, a sanctuary from the everyday frustrations and distresses we are plagued with. Although we can argue them as a remedy for some acute “malady”, one must clearly understand the impact of excessive, chronic and retreatingly motivated game playing. This is were I call for help one of my favorite psychologists: William James.


    I guess what you ment to say is that our existence shapes the way we perceive, or know things – i.e. existence precedes essence .
    Hope this helps clear some matters up.
    Cheers
     
  6. MethidParadox

    MethidParadox Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 3, 2004

    haha, hell yea same here.

    I think these liberals need to just shut their yaps and stop trying to tell everyone else how to live. Plenty of kids know curse words and know what sex is, its not that big of deal. So who really cares about their innocence, innocence is only a thing that makes people ignorant and weak. All you have to do is teach them how to adapt to the real world, and teach them what is right and wrong and hope that they practice life under those simple rules...

    Their just stupid games, just as bad as stupid stories, stupid movies, anything that has sex and violence... geez, stop being so weak I say, just live.
     
  7. Dove

    Dove Half-way Through My Half-life
    Orderite

    Dec 2, 2003
    I had the same problem.

    Very informative, although it happens every four years so I'm a bit used to it. Hillary running then I take it?




    Now I'm looking forward to that 25 to life game. Just looked at the site, looks great.
     
  8. Max Demian

    Max Demian It Wandered In From the Wastes

    104
    Apr 28, 2005
    Maybe we should move this thread to the General Discussion forum, coz it has less to do with gaming (or any particular games by that reckoning) and more to do with the general public opinion of games and their socio-psychological influence.
     
  9. welsh

    welsh This ghoul has seen it all

    Apr 5, 2003
    Kind of a cross-over topic, but ok.
     
  10. Bradylama

    Bradylama Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 22, 2003
    This week's Economist was an unusually interesting one.
     
  11. 4too

    4too Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 30, 2003
    Political Operatives

    Political Operatives





    The Republican Information Machine, has a 'profile' for liberal expressionists,
    the Jane Fonda --- "'Hollywood"" types. These 'Celebrity' talking heads, ...
    Hillary appears to be of that opportunistic sort.

    I've not taken , 'Hillary', seriously since - her - task force for improving the national health care system was such a dismal, political failure. It's the type of world view that will pay a PROFESSIONAL P.R. consultant, TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, to advise Al Gore "' wear more beige"" . This WILL improve his election prospects among ""select demographics"". Our own memories are history enough to rank the 'sales-person' abilities of 'Hillary' and ""THE MAN IN BEIGE"".

    But.

    Wait until 'The Republican Information Machine' focusses on media morals.

    Then 'games' will be -- Godless -- .

    The reason there are crack babies ..... and abortionist ... baby killers

    The reason why 'Johnny can't read'.

    The reason why "Johnny' does n't volunteer for the USMC ....



    The reason why the U. S. can't ""liberate"" (pacify) Iraq.



    'The Republican Information Machine' is a wrathful, spiteful, sword of moralizing vengeance. IT takes no prisoners. IT libelously slanders any 'citizen' of the Republic that does not conform to IT's syntax and iconography. Witness, the media - murder- of Senator John McCain after winning ONE north east state in the, YEAR BEFORE GEORGE -- the 2000 Republican Presidential Primary..



    The reason why gasoline will cost more per gallon than the retail shelf price of GTA: Remake Number 10 Zillionth, ... why the reason will be, ... ,

    any straw - person - of convenience.

    Maybe some creative political operative will link the collapse of our oil civilization to "Hanoi Jane" and ... .. 'Hillary'!!!!



    When one hears the political education of the Republican Operatives, when one feels the next wedge issue cleave away one's civil liberties, AND ultimately one's economic freedoms: Big Power Means Big Government -- Big Government Means Big 'Bubba'. One may look back fondly at pin ups of " Barbarella ", and the air headed 'do-gooder'"" opportunists"" like 'Hillary'.

    If the game "industry' can buy off the future Permanent Republican Majority, with soft and hard campaign donations, and conform to some fig leaf of educational - squad tactics in built up areas motif, for the 'once-and-future' 'liberators' of Creationist Theology . One may have that 'naughty' version of GTA ...

    Take care ...
    Playing slots and Hold-'em Poker may be one's last 'entertainment' bullet before being over run, bullied and bitched into some Splinter Baptist Sect or some Pan Media Evangelical Cult ....


    ""I lub Big Bubba"".



    Playing slots and Hold-'em Poker .....

    As for the game "industry', always betting on the lowest common denominator, it may well implode into a black hole of BOREDOM.

    Thus forgoing any 'Big banG' cultural revolutionary finale, with the consummate WASTELANDs "'hollow men"' , ending ... a ...WHIMPER.





    4too
     
  12. LazyGnome

    LazyGnome First time out of the vault

    65
    Sep 1, 2004
    When I was a kid, I got influenced more by movies than video games (of course, how could I throw a fireball at a turtle), but that didn't last very long.

    The day after I had seen The Karate Kid for the first time, I was "karate chopping" other kids on the playground. One of them retaliated with a swift kick to my testicles, and I learned that maybe I shouldn't imitate everything I see.
     
  13. ferdinand

    ferdinand First time out of the vault

    96
    Jul 24, 2005
    God, the solution is so simple, and has been said so often, but no-one says it LOUD enough.

    Take Heed: "If You Don't Like It, Don't Use It".

    This should have been somewhere in the ten commandments.


    If people are whigning that their child became antisocial or agressive after playing a game, then they shouldn't have bought it for them. If the kid bought it themselves, maybe it should be taken off them.
    Everyone who is complaining that their child is watching bad movies, playing naughty video games, etc, Do Some Freakin' Parenting! Yes, you may get a tantrum or a surly teenager for a while, but parenting has not, and never will be, assimilated into the convienience culture. It is not easy, and you will have work. Deal with it and stop blaming you problems on moving pictures and pieces of code.

    Tune in later for a rant on public figures condemning such items because some idiot mums can't see fault in themselves.

    *exhales*
     
  14. welsh

    welsh This ghoul has seen it all

    Apr 5, 2003
    Nice post 4too

    Ferdinand, while I take a critical view of this desire to legislate gaming on accuse gaming for social collapse, you're prescription doesn't work.

    Assuming the hypothetical of some 12 year old kid hyped up on GTA comes across the parking lot and blows your head off with a 12 gauge shotgun. You realize that turning of GTA did little to stop that event as your blood spreads all over the pavement. Should this event happen just once it's an anomaly. But if it happens a thousand times, etc, it becomes a social problem as it shows a trend throughout society that the individual has little control over.

    Since you cannot control the behavior of individuals, this becomes a social problem requiring more socially tailored answers.
     
  15. Bradylama

    Bradylama Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 22, 2003
    So, how many thousands of kids are commiting GTA-inspired crimes?
     
  16. welsh

    welsh This ghoul has seen it all

    Apr 5, 2003
    Exactly.

    Furthermore how many of the crimes that are committed can actually show a necessary and sufficient correlation between the crime and the game? Or even that game playing made a significant difference in the propensity to commit a violent act?

    As the article points out, the problem with the "computer gaming is evil and leads to violence" is that, in fact, our society has become less violent during the same years that people are playing more computer games.

    Meanwhile other variables- income levels, after school activities, working parents, hours at the office and away from home, funding to schools, other avenues of violence, are not accounted for.

    This might just be bullshit, but it might even be worse. It might be distraction from the things that are really important.

    But then this is the problem of democracy- the ability of the majority to target a minority as the cause of its ills. In this case the minority if game players and the industry.
     
  17. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    Fucking puritanical politicians.

    If they all want to blame games then what the fuck was in Hitler's playstation?
     
  18. ferdinand

    ferdinand First time out of the vault

    96
    Jul 24, 2005
    I'm not saying we get rid of GTA. I really enjoy the game, personally. All i am suggesting is that those conservative vote chasers ignore it if it offends their WASP moralities. just because they think it offends God or whatever, doesn't mean they moral in saying it should be destroyed. A kid who renacts part of GTA with a shotgun would have renacted any other violent film/game if he hadn't chosen GTA. I'm not talking to the people who use the game, but those who find it offensive. Simple.