Spiritism

Please put the ad hominem away, you won't need it.

Notice I said "a cause" and "a phenomenon". Not every unhappy person becomes religious and not every religious person was/is unhappy.

Seeking out a deeper meaning to life CAN be caused by a lack of fulfilment (religion is an easy and complete answer, because it prevents any further critical analysis through dogma) and unhappiness CAN result from a religious attitude toward life (e.g. strict Catholicism is particularly good at this, basing nine tenths of the religious dogma on guilt).

No, those people you named, for the most part, probably didn't lead too crappy a life. They most likely, however, didn't CHOSE to be religious. There wasn't really an alternative to being religious anyway, as long as atheism meant being rejected by society as an immoral monster. Even racism was considered the norm for quite some time and it wasn't until fairly recently (historically speaking) that you wouldn't catch any bewildered looks if you dared to criticise it.

However, I would agree that the belief in the existence of an immortal soul would be quite comforting if you experience the loss of a close friend or relative, or become painfully aware of your own mortality through advanced age or a near-fatal accident.
In these cases, many would accept religion if it provided some relief.

I would even go as far as claiming that most "believers" are highly inconsequent about the beliefs they claim to be holding. If you go by the letter, most moderates are just as doomed as non-believers -- and if you don't go by the letter, what else do you base your belief on than your own rationality (with which you chose what parts of the dogma to disbelieve), and how does that make you more of a believer than any outsider?

Religion can be comforting. It can also be very difficult to abandon religion once you are raised into it -- not only if you are part of a self-isolating group like Mormonism, for example. Most Christians I have talked to are either moderates or deists and only stick with their confession because they were raised into it.

There have been many people who were religious in the past and there are many of them still around -- in fact, I'd argue that the majority of us are still not free of religious thinking. But quantity doesn't make right. A thousand people telling you the Earth is flat doesn't make it any truer, nor does a million, nor a billion.

That the West dominates is not even based on its Christian roots, by the way. Had it not been for the reformations, renaissance (partially a re-discovery of pre-Christian arts) and the Enlightenment, which meant a huge step away from traditional, medieval Christianity, we'd still be killing scientists because their discoveries contradict established biblical truth.

Points can be made for Christianity being a more powerful motive than earlier religions (though I fail to see how imperial warfare could be considered something to be proud of), but hadn't the dogma been put aside when it turned out to be rather impractical, we would hardly have ever come this far.
As a random example, medicine would still be rather awkward if a loophole hadn't been found to do away with the sinfulness in cutting up corpses for anatomic studies. The immediate results were rather macabre, but in the long run it laid the groundwork of modern surgery and beyond.

Note, by the way, that not even the American founding fathers were the Christian paragons modern populism makes them out to be. They were rather critical of organised religions and as far as we know, at least some of them were deists (a huge step away from Christian theism). Had they been loyal Christians, they would surely not have created a country based on, among others, the ideal of religious freedom.

If you still think religion equals advance, look at the Arabic countries, the Muslim World. If you think the US is going crazy, that's nothing in comparison to what you'll find in the Holy Empire of Islam. You won't find Christians wearing explosive belts much, yet.
 
http://www.geae.inf.br/en/index.html

* Tip: click Spiritism > Spiritism Easily Explained. *

Some more accurate info on this Spiritism - the wiki is very general info without compromise, while this one is made by people who study it.

Personally, I'm considering it interesting. Guess I'll download the free .fdp books they offer , judging something I don't know at least 70% is not my style. It says Brazilian Spiritist Federation, surely it's not warez.

Hell, I've read most of bible, of the Muslim's book and a bit of Bhudism, why not one more?
 
they would surely not have created a country based on
Silly. The Dutch were at the time as religious as anyone on earth thanks to the Theological stylings of John Calvin, but also the most tolerant.

Adam Smith knew it when he looked at the early Methodists. Religion flourishes where it is not encouraged. An open market of Religion is far, far preferable to a monopoly of any kind from a pro-religious perspective. Frankly I wish every state religion in the world was abandoned.
 
My mother is a heavy believer in God and spirits and all such things, and my "Godmother" is an annoying Jehovas witness. My father is an atheist, and he definetly did'nt change is views of life after clinically dying once. (Resussitated(?) \o/ ) My grandparents on my fathers side is Norse, and heavilly Christian on the other side. My parents brought me and my sister up "tabula rasa" and made us figure things out ourselves despite many people trying to sway us either way.


Despite these influences my sister and I are'nt religious in any form, while many of my former "friends" are. They've been brought up with religion in their minds, and I can't stand them anymore.

Bio finished.

Many religions are really a way to controll people, while others are very much more lacking any form of controll (like the Norse gods), and they do it in a very efficient way. They're just means to controll the cattle and still their fears, religious people most often go to their priest/rabbi/whatever-flipping-shite-they-call-it for guidance and whatnot, to dump their problems on someone else and have them help still their fear by saying that "God" will guide them. Most oftenly this guidance comes from their brain buzzing back to life because they were afraid to go against their leaders to the point of being fearful of their lives.

Ashmo;
(e.g. strict Catholicism is particularly good at this, basing nine tenths of the religious dogma on guilt).

I'm assuming you speak of the commandments here?
Wich is a perfect way to describe these methods of controll. One of the deepest emotional feelings we have is guilt, why not base your religion on 10 commandments wich are easily understood and based on emotion/ethics?

Thorgrimm;
So, Ashmo, are you saying Sir Isaac Newton, Sir Roger Bacon, Nicolas Copernicus, Galileo Gallei led unfullfilling useless lives?
So you applying your statement to all of Christendom shows just how little you know of what Christianity means. Condemn it if it makes you happy, but under NO circumstances are you superior, as you seem to intimate, to believers just because you do not believe.

Skipping over the first few wich I know fairly little of or lived in the wrong age, to Galileo Gallilei.
You mean the man that was forced to sign under a "contract" that he'd never speak is teachings again and withdrew his statements, because the Christian Inquisition tortured him under the guidance of the church? Presumably for their fear of being proven wrong, proving them less-than-perfect and making their "Divinity" inspired knowledgebase wrong?
The church clearly stopped him from living a fullfilling life, crushing his lifework.

Religion is just old style Big Brother.
 
That is, in fact, a gross oversimplification.

Yes, organised religion requires built-in forms of self-control. If dogma can be altered, a religion can more easily move far beyond its original teachings. If dogma is static, it's more difficult (the Christians managed to find a loophole more than once, though, the most modern one being moderatism).

Also, religious dogma probably fares better if it includes (working) advice on everyday business. You generally won't get far with a religion that teaches nothing -- if only how to get into a fictitious after-life amusement ride.

Yes, religions -- and Christianity in particular -- often lend themselves easily for justifying absolute control.

In the end, however, this is more about memetics than Orwellian dystopias. What works, stays. What doesn't work, gets replaced or dropped. Fundamentalism is somewhat of a counter-movement, but even fundamentalists are rarely entirely consistent with their beliefs.

Also, the vast majority of religious people are rather well-intentioned. Sadly a well-intentioned suicide bombing still kills an awful lot of innocents without doing much good to anyone not sharing the same beliefs.
 
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xdarkyrex said:
They're all basically like this

No. Most of them are like this, not all of them.

Protestantism, as most people know, begun with the 95 theses of Lutero, and one of them was that no images should be allowed. In fact, all protestant sects I've seen/heard about do not use images in their cults and condemn their use.

Islamism also don't use them as far as I know, even pictures and photos are usually between discouraged and forbidden.

Spiritism is even more far from that, as it has some religious characteristics but is not a stabilished religion in itself.

Of course, you are most likely talking about the idolatry to statues/images as an example of the religious behavior as a whole, where people are attained to dogmas they don't even think about, only follow. In this case, I agree to some extent.
 
Protestants aren't exactly sensible moderates either, though.

Same with Islamists -- aside from them carrying around pictures of their dead as soldiers of Islam, which is akin to Catholic saints.

You cannot be critical of your religion's dogma and be religious. If you were critical, you wouldn't be religious. At best, you can be inconsequent and call yourself "moderate".
 
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