The ambiguously gay Legion

Caesar had children, as well as having been married and having several female lovers. Plautus is right, Plutarch never said anything about him being gay, and his work is considered the most accurate sources about Caesars life, apart from Caesars own memoirs.
And he was called the queen of Bithynia, not greece. And when was he ever raped?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomedes_IV_of_Bithynia

"Nicomedes IV was restored to his throne in Bithynia in 84 BC. The years that followed were relatively peaceful, though Bithynia came more and more under the control of Rome. In 80 BC, young Gaius Julius Caesar was an ambassador to Nicomedes IV's court. Caesar was sent to raise a fleet using Bithynia's resources, but he dallied so long with the King that a rumor of a homosexual relationship surfaced, leading to the disparaging title, "the Queen of Bithynia", an allegation which was made much of by Caesar's political enemies later in his life.[4]"
 
"Nicomedes IV was restored to his throne in Bithynia in 84 BC. The years that followed were relatively peaceful, though Bithynia came more and more under the control of Rome. In 80 BC, young Gaius Julius Caesar was an ambassador to Nicomedes IV's court. Caesar was sent to raise a fleet using Bithynia's resources, but he dallied so long with the King that a rumor of a homosexual relationship surfaced, leading to the disparaging title, "the Queen of Bithynia", an allegation which was made much of by Caesar's political enemies later in his life.[4]"
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I heard this on the history channel on a show called "ANCIENTS BEHAVING BADLY", followed by a show on underwater aliens, so the source may be questionable.
 
Quagmire69 said:
"Nicomedes IV was restored to his throne in Bithynia in 84 BC. The years that followed were relatively peaceful, though Bithynia came more and more under the control of Rome. In 80 BC, young Gaius Julius Caesar was an ambassador to Nicomedes IV's court. Caesar was sent to raise a fleet using Bithynia's resources, but he dallied so long with the King that a rumor of a homosexual relationship surfaced, leading to the disparaging title, "the Queen of Bithynia", an allegation which was made much of by Caesar's political enemies later in his life.[4]"
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I heard this on the history channel on a show called "ANCIENTS BEHAVING BADLY", followed by a show on underwater aliens, so the source may be questionable.
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Bythinia was a part of Asia Minor (Turkey) bordering the Black Sea. The Spartans had nothing to do with Caesar (the Doric League to which Sparta belonged was destroyed by the Delian League and Roman Republic quite some time earlier, turning Sparta into an ineffectual and minor power by the time Caesar came to power) and he was not raped by anybody, at least according to the ancient historians like Plutarch or Suetonius. "Ancients Behaving Badly" is notoriously inaccurate, so much so that it was canceled. Julius Caesar, despite some accusations of homosexuality in his younger years, maintained a strong reputation of military strength and virility (he slept with an incredible number of women during his time).
 
I never got the gay vibe from the Legion, just that the chicks don't belong on the battlefield and thus were kept away from the frontlines to make/raise children and work.
 
Military strength =/= to being straight.

Just look at ancient Sparta or Athens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxpUFcH-6Pk&feature=related

Scary tough dudes can still be gay.

I know that one gay guy in the game will remark on how common being gay is in the Legion. There's him, Cassidy and the slave.... and probably a few others. A lot of different people in the game talk about this, more than enough to be an anomaly.
 
They weren't gay were they? They had wives and children didn't they? While being homoerotic.

And people nowadays only really see the stereotypical gay, which gets conveyed as gay people being poofy and feminine, which obviously wasn't the case in history in most cases.
 
See, the thing is that the greeks in general (athenians more so, spartans less so) generally believed that women were useless and useful only for breeding. Men were the only thing worth a damn, so they fucked each other because men knew what was going on what was what. Greeks weren't 'gay', they were just so misogynistic as to believe that fucking women was under them.

Spartans did not feel as much like this though this was somewhat a mix of necessity and the fact that only Spartan women produce Spartan men. No Athenian could produce a Spartan, so a Spartan Woman > Athenian anything.
 
CourierAlex said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdr9CtkAkm8

Lol, this should be the official theme song of the Legion.
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No, but maybe this should:

PLEASE NOTE THIS WORKS BEST IF YOU IMAGINE IT'S BEING SUNG ON THE STAGE OF THE ACES IN NEW VEGAS BY AN NCR COP, A TRIBAL, A RANGER, A POWDER GANGER AND A LEGION CENTURION...


Where can you find pleasure
Search the wastes for treasure
Discard most technology
Where can you begin to make your dreams all come true
Hoover Dam or the Big Empty
Where you are trained to despise
Flay as sport till skin flies
Change the wastes geography
Fight for Caesar’s Army
Be a Frumentarii
When you spy the NCR


In the Legion
Yes, you can march the Mojave
In the Legion
Yes, you can cut up flesh with ease
In the Legion
Come on now tribals, make a stand
In the Legion
We drive nails through your hand
In the Legion
Come on oppress the motherland
In the Legion
Come on enslave your fellow man
In the Legion
Come on now tribals make a stand
In the Legion, in the Legion, In the Legion!


:P


Original Lyrics
Original Song - YouTube
 
Thats 1 of the things I like about NV, they have a ton of both racially and sexually adverse characters without having to go into a massive commentary on it. This is the very thing that keeps these characters grounded in reality; because even in the non-great-war present day we live in there really isn't a lot of openly racist/homophob individuals. This should be especially true in a time where humanity is just trying to scrape itself back together after damn near destroying the planet. In a time like that no one would have the time to discriminate against one an other because of personal life choices or color, it would be all politics.

Unfortunately for the story writers som1 at Bethesda made the writer turn the Legion frm a Emperor Qin-style (hostile takeover for the greater good) into a Nazi superior race/mentality sort of thing to make them "eviler". I say this because the issue of unequal gender rights is so clearly blatant in the story it seems alien to the rest of the complex politic issues in NV.
 
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