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RE: Europe is a deathrap

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Dec-03-00 AT 01:20PM (GMT)[p]I don't want to insult any yankees but the USA is the most fucked up country I know. Look what they have done to the rest of the world! And they're chickens too! Just shortly after the Gulf war Iraqi rebells held 15 of the countries 18 provinces, just because they thought that the US whould help them against Saddam. But the chickened out! Letting hundreds of freedomfighters and their innocent families die. You're a disgrace to your ancestors (George Washington, Ben Franklin, Peter Miniut and the bunch)! What do you think they think about you now? "Oh look it's my great-great-great-grandchildren and what are they doing? They're bombing children and sheep. How proud I am of them. Go boys! Slaughter some more children and act world police just because you want some bloody oil and think you're the greatest!" I'm from Sweden and i agree that we don't have a very good economy and I don't know why the fuck we joined the EU for either, but I'm still proud of being swedish. Sweden have done alot more good things than the US, althou we were to afraid to mess with Hitler during the WW2. My Grandmother is so much cooler than any swede. She's from Finland, the land of knifefights and drinking:) They stould against the USSR. Not even USa have deared go to war with them. Maybe in the Crimean war but I don't know if you guys were "brave" enough to join in then either. The european armies will not be crippled without US supplies and Xotor you say that troops are not longer neccesary to fight with. To that I just say look at Vietnam! USA the most advanced country at that time defeated by peasant and sheppards! If someone wants to continue this argument please start a new post OK.

"Call me a vagabond, and I'll smile. Call me a thief, and I'll laugh. Call me a liar, and I feed you your liver."
 
RE: Europe is a deathrap

"Also, what *has* the nuclear bomb done to the world? Practically nothing. Only two in history have ever been used offensively, the rest are sitting around in silos, probably never to be used."

well it has done something and that is encouraged technilogical growth on our parts and on the russian parts. We have then distributed this technology to the rest of the world. competition cause more efficent, and moer advanced products. If it werent for the cold war i dont think we would have ever gone to the moon, or designed the technology to go to the moon.
 
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But right now the USSR probably couldn't even get those nukes off the ground. The USA could. It would take quite a while to make the USSR a military superpower again and they would be stopped if someone like Hitler was in power I'm sure we've learnt our lessons from the last world war.
 
RE: Europe is a deathrap

>I don't want to insult any
>yankees but the USA is
>the most fucked up country
>I know. Look what they
>have done to the rest
>of the world!

And what have we done? We are the economic foundation of the planet, even since the 1930s. More technology and science has come about from the United States than probably all of Europe (modern times people, not the industrial scientific revolution, etc.)

>And they're
>chickens too! Just shortly after
>the Gulf war Iraqi rebells
>held 15 of the countries
>18 provinces, just because they
>thought that the US whould
>help them against Saddam. But
>the chickened out! Letting hundreds
>of freedomfighters and their innocent
>families die.

Those Kurdish freedom-fighting "rebels" only maintained those provinces while Hussien's army was still returning from Kuwait! When they returned they wiped those "rebels" out because they didn't have a chance.

It is one thing to shut down one regiem for another, but when you're simply turning over a country like Iraq to a group of freedom-fighting "rebels," you're looking at a civil war that could spread to other countries and might lead to another country taking over Iraq. You don't want another Russia where the country suffers because it can't manage itself under its new regiem.

That's what could have happened in Serbia. However rather than simply marching in and killing Milosevic, the country itself kicked him out of office and established its own new government itself.

>You're a disgrace
>to your ancestors (George Washington,
>Ben Franklin, Peter Miniut and
>the bunch)! What do you
>think they think about you
>now? "Oh look it's my
>great-great-great-grandchildren and what are they
>doing? They're bombing children and
>sheep.

Quit exaggerating the position. The USA does not bomb children or sheep and you know it. I believe that the fore-fathers would be proud to see that their tiny nation that used to be thirteen colonies has become the most powerful nation in the history of mankind without turning into a conquest powerhouse like Rome was to achieve its greatness.

>I'm
>from Sweden and i agree
>that we don't have a
>very good economy and I
>don't know why the fuck
>we joined the EU for
>either, but I'm still proud
>of being swedish. Sweden have
>done alot more good things
>than the US,

Sure they have, try listing a few.

>My Grandmother is so much
>cooler than any swede. She's
>from Finland, the land of
>knifefights and drinking:)

And your grandma has to do with this topic in what way?

>They stould
>against the USSR. Not even
>USa have deared go to
>war with them.

Because the USSR would launch nukes at us. They wouldn't attack Sweden because of fear of retaliation from the "containment" policy. The policy stated that the USA would declare war if the USSR attacked any of her allies. The USA was Europe's crutch for two world wars and the cold war.

>The european
>armies will not be crippled
>without US supplies

Europe can't even get its economy to function correctly. Go ahead and make your dinky little European army, after all it will save us some cash in having to wipe NATO's nose every time she wants to go to war with someone.

>and Xotor
>you say that troops are
>not longer neccesary to fight
>with. To that I just
>say look at Vietnam!

That was in the 1970s, thirty years ago. There have been MAJOR strides in technology since then. For instance now we could use our stealth planes to root out the enemy with little fear of anti-air weapons. We could have also taken out the munition factories with cruise missiles now.

>USA
>the most advanced country at
>that time defeated by peasant
>and sheppards!

I have to admit, Vietnam was a real debacle. Guerilla tactics are always quite effective.

-Xotor-

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>But right now the USSR probably
>couldn't even get those nukes
>off the ground.

Don't underestimate the nuclear stock of the former USSR. They were and are the most powerful weapon Russia had/has to offer. With exception to the old stockpiles of nukes, Russia still has quite a few high-power nuclear weapons capable of launch at a moment's notice. The nuclear program is still one of the only programs in Russia to receive adequate funding.

>The
>USA could. It would
>take quite a while to
>make the USSR a military
>superpower again and they would
>be stopped if someone like
>Hitler was in power I'm
>sure we've learnt our lessons
>from the last world war.

Who's to say that the person will act like Hitler? Most likely he will be a charismatic communist or socialist who makes things happen. Someone like Musolini, who actually did fix up the nation but sided with the wrong side during the war (hey, Germany looked pretty strong then). It was reported that even the trains ran ontime with Musolini. It doesn't take much, just the support of the people.

-Xotor-

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RE: Europe is a deathrap

REAL WORLD! HAHAHAHA! REAL WORLD!!!!

P.S. Xotor, oh all-knowing American one, you misspelled "regime."
 
RE: Europe is a deathrap

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Dec-04-00 AT 05:12AM (GMT)[p]AND? oh no the mighty administrator... wait i misspelled that. Holy shit! Im fucked up the ass like a gay porn star. It looks like caused a tear in the fabric of space and time for misspelling something. The world is going to END becuase i misspelled something, becuase XOtor misspelled something, becuase almost everybody misspelled something at some time in their life.

My postition that the world is going to end over grammatical and spelling errors is no less absurd than your having to point them out when obviously you lost ammunition for your argument.
Lamer. You NTAC

People Against The Destruction Of The Universe Due to Grammatical And Or Spelling Errors
 
RE: Europe is a deathrap

Who are you? I'm a swede and my grandmother is from Finland to
 
RE: Europe is a deathrap

I'm not going to argue with you about the nukes because I don't have a way to find out if thats true or not unless Russia releases a financial report :)

I don't think we want any more communists in power in theory communism is a good idea but the greed of the human race prevents it from working as it should. Also another cold war is something I'd like to avoid.
 
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>REAL WORLD! HAHAHAHA! REAL WORLD!!!!

Why you replied to this post instead of the post which actually contained the words "real world" I have no clue.

You see 8-Ball, you're not looking at the real world because you're only considering one thing in your argument: That your family was inconvenienced by bombing raids on Serbia. However you fail to realize that nations have *other* considerations to be concerned about. As much as we'd like to, there's no way we can prevent casualties from happening in war. They are the unspoken many who suffer because of war, and this has been going on for all time. Feel lucky the the USA doesn't/didn't take a total war outlook in Serbia. Instead we try to minimize casualties as best as we can, and as bad a job as you seem to think it is, it is a whole hell of a lot better than most any nation in history has done.

War has many reasons and many victims, it's not anything new, and you should accept that.

>P.S. Xotor, oh all-knowing American one,
>you misspelled "regime."

Whoops, though what bearing that has on the current topic I do not know. Usually when someone starts bitching about someone else's spelling/grammar (with exception to the "sup d00ds" people), they've lost the argument and thus have to resort to off-topic criticism. Don't know if it's the case this time..

-Xotor-

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What would you do with an assault rifle??

Im just so very curious. Are you going to kill people with it? If you think you need to protect yourself by having a gun, i dont think an assault rifle is the way to go.
 
Again, what would you do with it?

It,s not as if the sniper rifle has any use exceot shooting people that dont know where you are, dont know you will shoot them, and definitely are not trying to kill you. A sniper rifle is useful only for criminal, military and law enforcement use.
 
RE: Europe is a deathrap

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Dec-05-00 AT 04:57AM (GMT)[p]NNGH! Screw this and screw what a couple of "like-minded allies" of mine convinced me to do--Give up!

Minimize casualties? MINIMIZE CASUALTIES?

Did the media ever tell you the WHOLE story about the 'ethnic cleansing' biz? A lot of serbs got kicked out of other countries and shot in the streets, but they aren't sucking on the U.S.'s fat tit (unlike the Albanian swine) so the media denounces them instead, and the U.S. uses its military not to settle the conflict but to hurt only one side and kill its civilians.

As for the Gulf War, sorry if I intoned otherwise, but I think that Iraq should have been pushed out of Kuwait, just not that children and retreating troops neaded to be bombed to settle it.

Xotor, I will excuse your ignorance, but not your stupidity.
 
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH you misspelled "needed".

We heard about the serbs being killed in the street. Thats what the NATO troops are for. to maintain order. And before they were sucking on the Tit of america. Remember 1996 when we helped the serbs gain power?

8-Ball, I will excuse your ignorance, but not your blind rage.
 
RE: Europe is a deathrap

>NNGH! Screw this and screw what
>a couple of "like-minded allies"
>of mine convinced me to
>do--Give up!

I really wish you would quote what you're referring to, I have no clue as to what you're ranting about here.

>Minimize casualties? MINIMIZE CASUALTIES?
>
>Did the media ever tell you
>the WHOLE story about the
>'ethnic cleansing' biz? A lot
>of serbs got kicked out
>of other countries and shot
>in the streets, but they
>aren't sucking on the U.S.'s
>fat tit (unlike the Albanian
>swine) so the media denounces
>them instead, and the U.S.
>uses its military not to
>settle the conflict but to
>hurt only one side and
>kill its civilians.

Let's put it this way, if NATO troops weren't there, those angry Kosovars who lost their families, villages and life could and would march into Serbian towns and wipe out the minority population of Serbs living there.

Milosevic's plan simply backfired. Instead of forcing the Kosovars to leave, Serbs are leaving in retaliation for what happened. It is not to say that it is right that innocent Serbs are being targetted for Milosevic's actions, but that's what is happening.

Don't think that news doesn't filter in here. There are just as many people against the actions NATO took in Serbia here in the USA as there are in Serbia, and probably more. The news shows what happens and that's it, they would lose viewers if they were biased or government-restricted. In addition, there is the internet where anyone can see any side of the argument.

>As for the Gulf War, sorry
>if I intoned otherwise, but
>I think that Iraq should
>have been pushed out of
>Kuwait, just not that children
>and retreating troops neaded to
>be bombed to settle it.

We never bombed retreating troops, nor purposely bombed children. There will always be casualties. Please don't make up your own propaganda.

>Xotor, I will excuse your ignorance,
>but not your stupidity.

I will excuse your hard feelings, but not your denial.

-Xotor-

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RE: Europe is a deathrap

Actually Russia was moments away from launcing atomic missiles against norway around one year ago.
We Norwegian were launchng a rocket out inn the atmosfere to do reaserch and the rocket was picked upp by russian raidars and they were ready to launch just waiting for clearence.
luckily they were stopped.
The message that there would be launched a rocket from Norway had dissepeared in the paipermill somwhere.
I think that the atomic missile reasource that russia has is ready to be launched at any minnute and that it should not be underestimated.
 
RE: Europe is a deathrap

>Also, what *has* the nuclear bomb
>done to the world?
>Practically nothing. Only two
>in history have ever been
>used offensively, the rest are
>sitting around in silos, probably
>never to be used.

The nuclear bomb is a huge war-preventer. I mean, how many world wars have there been since WW2? None. Only a cold one. The threat of nuclear war restrains countries from attacking. On a large scale, armies are useless as just a press of a button can eradicate a nation - and probably the button-pressing nation too.
 
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>OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH you misspelled "needed".


OOOOOO! I HATES DEM DARN TOOTIN' HYPOCRITES!
 
RE: Europe is a deathrap

>grammatical
>and spelling errors is no
>less absurd than your having
>to point them out when
>obviously you lost ammunition for
>your argument.

>They were atomic bombs not nuclear. If you have an encyclopedia >im sure you can find the difference
>

Hypocrisy or NOT?

Okay, maybe I'm stretching the line between grammatical and knowledgeable here, but Karmalade's saying that I took it so far as to predicting the destruction of the world due to grammatical/spelling errors is a big stretch IMHO.

If you want more, I'll prove to you that Kar can't spell administrator. You could concievably call this a quite butcher but I say the preceding to "administrator" is irrelevant.

>administrator... wait i misspelled that

Okay, I did it again with the errors, but hey, he's the one who touches lucious breasts and gets his hard cock stroked, right?
 
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