The Iraqi "insurgency"

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I was recently in a heated argument with my father about the resistance movements in Iraq, against American occupation. This was sparked by a TV documentary about so-called "Jihadists". My claim was that the insurgents were largely, or rather, were led by a group of religious fundamentalists, whose opposition of the American occupation at times seemed more rooted in ideological causes than the pure motivation of, say, liberating your country from and invading force. This was based on the fact that the only media to come out of the "insurgents", was "jihadist" videos posted online depicting acts of "insurgency" with islamic music in the background (liveleak is my main source for this).

He countered that claim by saying that there was a large majority of "nationalist", "Baaht followers", or "republican" resistance movements. This was apparently mostly based on articles read in French media (which I inherently do not trust, due to their anti-american bias).

I said I had never seen such groups expressing themselves, and that I trust what I see more than what journalists with an opinion choose to write.

But the fact is, I do not know. Short of actually going there and finding out myself (which I am not stupid enough to do), I have no way of finding out if the islamists are just something the US has made up, a group that has overshadowed all other resistance groups, or the actual resistance. I have no idea. My source of information has so far been watching videos of attacks, attempted attacks filmed by islamists, and gunfight videos filmed by American soldiers and then put online.

It's probably impossible to say something about this without either awaking rage and distaste in those that feel differently, or getting flamed oneself for raising the question. But I need to know. Although I imagine it's rather impossible to get a verified answer, I value this community's opinions more than journalists', who have a political agenda and report information that has been infinitely corrupted by changing hands ten times. Not because you have the RIGHT opinion, but because people have such varied opinions here. I want to hear from the people who were there, the armchair generals who wish they were there, the political activists, the cynical jerks, everyone. Maybe by reading varied inputs I'll finally be able to form an image of this whole situation.
 
we have access here to some french media about the Iraq as well and I actualy have seen some documentations. The show I have seen was pretty unbiased and did not even mentioned all that much the US forces. Its though a lot more complicated then only about the "jihadists".

The political issues now that appear in the Iraq are already pretty old and include many groups that have been oppressed very hard. It has even to do with the Turks, cause of the Kurds that live in the region around the Iraq and Turkey. Its just at the moment modern to say "yes, blame the US for it".
 
there's an incredible number of motivations for insurgents, but the religious ones are those people are usually shown.

other motivations can be as simple as the fact that the USA removed all Baathists from government and military functions. all these people who were once powerful and respected were now out of a job. what do you do if so many leaders are made jobless? well, they can do some damage because most aren't total idiots and they usually have a following.

other motivations can be to destabilise the country and use the ethnical situation to make a grab for power.

in the end, there's probably as much motivations are there are insurgents...
 
One shouldn't think of religion as merely a matter of faith or spiritualism. You have to think of religion as social organization based around the ideological power of a supernatural belief system.

Social organizations, like all institutions, exist to mobilize bias. But to think of religion only as motivation is short sighted.

Religious organizations offer a wide range of benefits and goods to society when the state is absent. It can, through the delivery of social goods, gain the consent and loyalty of a following.

For instance, Hezbollah is known as a nationalist, religious and terrorist organization. But it also runs schools, provides social welfare, undertakes political organization, campaigns, etc.

But the power of an ideology, institutionalized, can be utilized to gain other forms of power as well- military, economic, and political power.
 
the fun thing is, that its not even a united force. Not in the Islamic world. Many of them hate each other just as much like some of them the Americans. YOu have a lot of different ethnics in the Iraq. And most of them have been opressed for dekades.

No TV, no Cinemas, (almost) no food, but lots of gun and agression. Well ... the rest is how they say, history :P
 
Honestly, I think anytime you get a lot of young guys and force them to remain virgins, and then tell them if they die martyrs they get a bunch of virgins in the afterlife, you are taking risks.

But I also think that one should understand the war in iraq as, in part, an occupation.
 
most of the martyrs are not crazy fanatics though. Many of them are rather usual people.
 
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