The non-stupidity of Canadian elections

RE: The ignorability of Canadian elections.

>candain beer sucks. it has all
>the charm of driking lizard
>piss. You know canada does
>do a lot of things
>well like hockey, and raising
>one of the best djs
>to walk the planet A-Trak.
>But besides that, i dont
>know.

I think that Red-Green is a real degrading factor of Canada, like Mr. Bean for the UK.. :)

-Xotor-

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Here we go again.

Xotor, there are a few things I don't understand.

One, why is having a large country with a small population bad? I mean, it means more space (and don't feed me that "it's all north and ice" garbage, there's plenty of space down south), more freedom, and the title of 2nd largest country in the world. Immediately, I can't see absolutely anything wrong with having a small population.

Second, 10% of the land used? I honestly don't believe that. Sure, North-West Territories are mostly barren wastland, but the majority of it is officially a national park. And a lot of the open space in the Provinces are used as farmland. 80% of the population living near the US? Well, why not? Doesn't mean we're dependent on the US, but what's the point of settling far away from our neighbor? Closer is better, for both countries.

Third, er, well my creative juices just stopped flowing, so I'll leave you with the question: Why are you SO against Canada? And don't say you aren't, 'cause it's the first country that you always say is "insignificant" and "useless" to the "great" America. Talk about pride...
 
RE: Here we go again.

Ill give my american answer.

"Xotor, there are a few things I don't understand.
One, why is having a large country with a small population bad? I mean, it means more space (and don't feed me that "it's all north and ice" garbage, there's plenty of space down south), more freedom, and the title of 2nd largest country in the world. Immediately, I can't see absolutely anything wrong with having a small population."

It is misleading to believe that a country with a small population and thus a small infrastructure is able to compare with a large nation with a large infrastructure. The larger nation is obviously going to have a lower standard of living becuase of higher population and having to provide for more people.

Also consider that many of the nations that do have "higher standards of living" also tend to have higher tax rates. These taxes are more efficently distributed among a smaller population in services provided by the government. The U.S. though has a rough population of 250-270 million, and considering the fact that the tax rate is lower it means less services per person. Hence a lower standard of living. This is also one reason Democratic Socialism works in small doses, becuase it doesnt become the monstrosity that would result from a population of over 100 million people.

"Second, 10% of the land used? I honestly don't believe that. Sure, North-West Territories are mostly barren wastland, but the majority of it is officially a national park. And a lot of the open space in the Provinces are used as farmland. 80% of the population living near the US? Well, why not? Doesn't mean we're dependent on the US, but what's the point of settling far away from our neighbor? Closer is better, for both countries."

Im not arguing that fact, hell canadian girls are hot. Im all for the exchange student program.

"Third, er, well my creative juices just stopped flowing, so I'll leave you with the question: Why are you SO against Canada? And don't say you aren't, 'cause it's the first country that you always say is "insignificant" and "useless" to the "great" America. Talk about pride..."

Becuase look the exports that they produce. Lumber, Maple Syrup, Hockey Players, Hot exchange students, TV hosts/actors, A show by the name "Red Green", BAD BEER.
America has much more in terms of resources, industrial manufacturing, technological research, and almost everything. Also they have the those accents.
 
RE: Here we go again.

>One, why is having a large
>country with a small population
>bad? I mean, it means
>more space (and don't feed
>me that "it's all north
>and ice" garbage, there's plenty
>of space down south), more
>freedom, and the title of
>2nd largest country in the
>world. Immediately, I can't see
>absolutely anything wrong with having
>a small population.

That is true, but the population argument is used to show that when you're comparing topics like stadard of living, you have to take into account the strain of the population to be supported. For instance, for the amount of people in the United States, we have an extremely high standard of living. It is not hard for a country like Canada with relatively few people to maintain a high standard of living due to the fact that there are less people to support. China and especially India show that a large population is not a good thing, especially when considering the average citizen is below the poverty level.

>Second, 10% of the land used?

I'll rephrase that: Populated.

80% of the population
>living near the US? Well,
>why not? Doesn't mean we're
>dependent on the US, but
>what's the point of settling
>far away from our neighbor?
>Closer is better, for both
>countries.

The United States is Canada's #1 trading partner. Canadian exports to the United States consititute 28% of Canada's GDP. In addition, USA-Canada hold the largest trade-relationship on the planet with over $500 billion annually.

The importance of USA-Canada trade relations for Canada is outlined at, http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/geo/usa/cap1-e.asp

>Why are you SO against
>Canada? And don't say you
>aren't, 'cause it's the first
>country that you always say
>is "insignificant" and "useless" to
>the "great" America. Talk about
>pride...

I'm thinking in the global perspective. Canada doesn't have much pull in world affairs, for instance economic sanctions would hurt it more than the countries it suppresses trade from. I don't have anything against Canadians themselves, I just don't think of Canada as a country of any power. It's like Australia, I don't expect much out of Australia in the political arena.

-Xotor-

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RE: Here we go again.

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Dec-05-00 AT 11:29AM (GMT)[p]>I'm thinking in the global perspective. Canada doesn't have much pull in world affairs, for instance economic sanctions would hurt it more than the countries it suppresses trade from. I don't have anything against Canadians themselves, I just don't think of Canada as a country of any power. It's like Australia, I don't expect much out of Australia in the political arena.

I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing. Besides, if every country in the world declared itself neutral and acted that way too, there wouldn't be any war anymore (except for civil wars of course).
But that's idealism.

"Don't worry men, they can't hit us here"
 
RE: The ignorability of Canadian elections.

You said newspapers not TV. Not everyone in England has sky you know and I'll bet the viewing figures where in the dozens.

BTW if someone hadn't started a new thread the european armies one would have equaled APTYPs record.
 
RE: Here we go again.

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-00 AT 02:04AM (GMT)[p]"I'm thinking in the global perspective. Canada doesn't have much pull in world affairs, for instance economic sanctions would hurt it more than the countries it suppresses trade from. I don't have anything against Canadians themselves, I just don't think of Canada as a country of any power. It's like Australia, I don't expect much out of Australia in the political arena.

-Xotor- "

Well actually we ahve a lot of trade agreement with alot of contry, China, Japan, europe... we mostly export our technology rather than our products so on the bigger scale we do have quite enough pull.
We are showing them how to fish instead of giving them a fish. We however own the lake they are fishing in ... and the equipement ... instead of owning the fishes they are going to fish.

One last note on Red Green... you should have seen him make a cigarette car out of a Coach bus with nothing but duct tape.


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RE: The ignorability of Canadian elections.

you are an idiot, and i am the master of vepenery, sweden rules
 
You just earned yourself a ban.

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-01 AT 01:34AM (GMT)[p]Not only was your post *totally* pointless, if you expect to just waltz into a board, start flaming people and stay, you've got something else coming.

I am not going to block your IP block (it is too generalized) because it may block some legitimate users of this board from Sweden.

However you are not welcome here. Circumvent this ban and I'll report your actions to swip.net, your ISP. Got it Simon Henning, or should I say Einar Robillard?

-Xotor-

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RE: The ignorability of Canadian elections.

Have you realized that you are defending a country of idiots? 95% of the peeple who live in the USA are idiots. They might have degrees in so-and-so, or profess to be knowledgeable, but they are all idiots, because they insist that the USA, "the land of the free", is, was, and always will be:
-the best country in the world
-invincible
-totally safe in every aspect of daily life
-protective of everything that is foreign

Also, what the hell are we doing all the way in Yemen? We deserved to have the USS Cole blown up there. What the hell is in our national interest to stick our ass in the middle of nowhere (they DO have oil, but so do we) that is worth having a ship blown up? I know, let's go bomb Kosovo because people are violating anti-humanitarian laws there. They violated the UN charter, OH NO!!! The UN does squat: let's impose sanctions, here, no here, and there! Does the US feel compelled to back up the spineless UN?

These politicians that we have are jokes, too. They don't care about the sake of the country, they care about the vote. Hmmm, let's increase minimum wage over a dollar, and have massive inflation for the next seven years! We have a president that can barely form complete sentences, and another disgrace that can't keep his pants on and is involved with almost every corruption scandal. And the people applaud him!!! Ludicrous!

Sorry, but I say Canada is better.
(and I live in the US)
 
RE: The ignorability of Canadian elections.

>Have you realized that you are
>defending a country of idiots?
>95% of the peeple who
>live in the USA are
>idiots.

That's a bit generalizing don't you think?

>They might have degrees
>in so-and-so, or profess to
>be knowledgeable, but they are
>all idiots, because they insist
>that the USA, "the land
>of the free", is, was,
>and always will be:
>-the best country in the world
>
>-invincible
>-totally safe in every aspect of
>daily life
>-protective of everything that is foreign

Well aside from terrorist attacks, I'd say that's the situation right now. Nothing less than a full-scale nuclear or biological war can take us down as it is right now.

>Also, what the hell are we
>doing all the way in
>Yemen?

Refueling at a base we have there?

>We deserved to have
>the USS Cole blown up
>there.

No peaceful ship diserves to be blown up simply because it isn't harboring in its own base.

>What the hell is
>in our national interest
>to stick our ass in
>the middle of nowhere (they
>DO have oil, but so
>do we) that is worth
>having a ship blown up?

The base helps provide jobs in the area. Also, where else would we fuel up? Yemen is a pretty convenient location for refueling in that area of the world.

>I know, let's go bomb
>Kosovo because people are violating
>anti-humanitarian laws there.

And would you say the same about Hitler?

>They violated
>the UN charter, OH NO!!!

They damn well did, but that was probably more of an excuse than a reason.

>The UN does squat: let's
>impose sanctions, here, no here,
>and there! Does the US
>feel compelled to back up
>the spineless UN?

The UN is composed of some of the most influential nations on the planet. Sanctions are *very* powerful when there are many nations participating and it is the reason people in nations like Cuba are still driving vehicles built in the 1950's *before* the sanctions, they *have* to because they can't get anything else. Or how about how Iraq has to sell oil for food just to feed its people? Sanctions? You betcha.

The USA composes most of the military might of the UN, but the UN has a lot of push if it decides to impose sanctions on a nation. Think about it: the UN probably makes up about 75%-80% of all trade in the world. Imagine losing access to that.

>These politicians that we have are
>jokes, too. They don't care
>about the sake of the
>country, they care about the
>vote.

But who votes? Isn't what the people are voting for what is best in for the country in their minds? Whether the politicians care about country of not is a non-issue, it is whether they get it done.

>Hmmm, let's increase minimum
>wage over a dollar, and
>have massive inflation for the
>next seven years!

Best to beat down those poor people right?

>We have
>a president that can barely
>form complete sentences,

Hey I didn't vote for him, but then again the alternative wasn't much better. Personally I'd have kept Clinton in office again.

>and another
>disgrace that can't keep his
>pants on and is involved
>with almost every corruption scandal.
>And the people applaud him!!!
>Ludicrous!

Hey, as it was summed up perfectly in Fallout, something to the extent of:

"A whopping 60% of the populace said that if having extra-marital affairs is what is needed to help the president boost the economy, he should have more."

>Sorry, but I say Canada is
>better.
>(and I live in the US)

And I say, if you don't like it, move up there. Personally I think anyone who doesn't appreciate this country should move out somewhere where they *will*. If you like Canada so much, move there, there's nothing stopping you. A free nation is one that lets you leave when you don't like it anymore.

That's the problem nowadays, people who complain about the current situation but do nothing about it, especially in a country where you can.

-Xotor-

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RE: The ignorability of Canadian elections.

>Refueling at a base we have
>there?

>No peaceful ship diserves to be
>blown up simply because it
>isn't harboring in its own
>base.

Why are we refueling in a base that harbors unfriendlies? What the hell are we thinking by contracting the locals to help refuel the ship? If we are confident enough to refuel there, there shouldn't be any threat of terrorism. And if there is the threat, we shouldn't hire out local people, and lax up on the security precautions. It IS unfortunate that thoise people had to die, but it was necessary to show the American people that anti-American countries will not just bend over and pull down their pants for us.

>The base helps provide jobs in
>the area. Also, where
>else would we fuel up?
> Yemen is a pretty
>convenient location for refueling in
>that area of the world.

Since when do I care about the jobs in Yemen? Maybe if I was Yemenese (is that right?) I would care. I only think along the lines that would better serve our country and our national interest. We are still in the Gulf because of several problems there. I understand that. But what I do not understand is why we have become so lax about our methods and security in the region.

>And would you say the same
>about Hitler?

The Serbians were not trying to take over the world.

>The UN is composed of some
>of the most influential nations
>on the planet. Sanctions
>are *very* powerful when there
>are many nations participating and
>it is the reason people
>in nations like Cuba are
>still driving vehicles built in
>the 1950's *before* the sanctions,
>they *have* to because they
>can't get anything else.
>Or how about how Iraq
>has to sell oil for
>food just to feed its
>people? Sanctions? You
>betcha.

That's my point. ALL THEY DO IS SANCTION. Over the years since 1945 (the creation of the UN), how many wars has the UN avoided? NONE. The sole reason for the creation of the UN was to prevent war, and help countries develop into first-world nations. Not one war or other skirmish/tension has been avoided by the UN, but rather by the USA.

>But who votes? Isn't what
>the people are voting for
>what is best in for
>the country in their minds?
> Whether the politicians care
>about country of not is
>a non-issue, it is whether
>they get it done.

I'm not old enough to vote yet, but I follow the issues anyways. The biggest issues in this country have to do with labor and healthcare. Personally, I like the Republican stance of power to the people. The Democratic stance seems a bit too socialistic. But both parties try to appease the people, and not the general well-being of the nation. Like I said, if they truly thought of USA-first, and other-countries-second, we would not be sticking our butts into every sopt of the globe that has a minor confrontation.

>Best to beat down those poor
>people right?

I have nothing against poor people, just stupid people. If a person strives and truly wants to make something of himself/herself, they can accomplish anything they set their mind to, including wealth.

>Hey I didn't vote for him,
>but then again the alternative
>wasn't much better. Personally
>I'd have kept Clinton in
>office again.

I agree, he was better than the two other candidates.

>Hey, as it was summed up
>perfectly in Fallout, something to
>the extent of:
>
>"A whopping 60% of the populace
>said that if having extra-marital
>affairs is what is needed
>to help the president boost
>the economy, he should have
>more."

Where in Fallout does it say that? The Sierra Army Depot?

>And I say, if you don't
>like it, move up there.
> Personally I think anyone
>who doesn't appreciate this country
>should move out somewhere where
>they *will*. If you
>like Canada so much, move
>there, there's nothing stopping you.
> A free nation is
>one that lets you leave
>when you don't like it
>anymore.

Maybe I will move up there...until it's annexed by the US:)

>That's the problem nowadays, people who
>complain about the current situation
>but do nothing about it,
>especially in a country where
>you can.

I'm 16. I don't think I can drastically change the way America thinks right now. Basically the only things I am able to change are the Internet connection that I have, and the amount of money that I make. Other than that, minors have basically no influence on those of the older generation.

I'll get a job at Interplay and make a game that voices all my frustrations and angers at the world. It will be a best-seller, because all the problems will be dealt with a stiff bullet to the head. The problems will all be solved by the force of guns. Bwahahahaha....

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RE: The ignorability of Canadian elections.

>Why are we refueling in a
>base that harbors unfriendlies? What
>the hell are we thinking
>by contracting the locals to
>help refuel the ship? If
>we are confident enough to
>refuel there, there shouldn't be
>any threat of terrorism.

And there shouldn't have. It isn't like Yemen in a known terrorist country. Though many Middle-Eastern countries are slightly disgruntled with the United States, most will not resort to terrorist attacks to get their message across. The fact is that the Yemen port was probably used for years, if not decades with no terrorist threat and those inflatable rafts that help guide the boat were probably quite common.

What you're saying is almost like saying "why did the government build a government office in Oklahoma when there are people who don't like the government there, only to have it bombed?" The cause of the problem isn't the location of the port, it is the people who will go to lengths, even travelling to Yemen, to cause terrorist attacks.

>And
>if there is the threat,
>we shouldn't hire out local
>people, and lax up on
>the security precautions. It IS
>unfortunate that thoise people had
>to die, but it was
>necessary to show the American
>people that anti-American countries will
>not just bend over and
>pull down their pants for
>us.

But most of the hired people don't have ill feelings towards the USA. In fact those people who detonated that bomb were probably not from that country at all.

>Since when do I care about
>the jobs in Yemen? Maybe
>if I was Yemenese (is
>that right?) I would care.
>I only think along the
>lines that would better serve
>our country and our national
>interest. We are still in
>the Gulf because of several
>problems there. I understand that.
>But what I do not
>understand is why we have
>become so lax about our
>methods and security in the
>region.

But that port is a good refueling station. The jobs are an additional benefit to refueling there, not a reason. Yemen is located on the southern tip of the Arabian Peninsula. The country also provides a strategic control point at the port of Aden which can control water-movement through the Red Sea.

>>And would you say the same
>>about Hitler?
>
>The Serbians were not trying to
>take over the world.

That's not the issue I'm speaking of. Should we not have stopped Hitler from killing 20 million Jews? Shouldn't we have interfered earlier?

>That's my point. ALL THEY DO
>IS SANCTION. Over the years
>since 1945 (the creation of
>the UN), how many wars
>has the UN avoided? NONE.
>The sole reason for the
>creation of the UN was
>to prevent war, and help
>countries develop into first-world nations.
>Not one war or other
>skirmish/tension has been avoided by
>the UN, but rather by
>the USA.

The UN was created as a place where nations could meet and settle conflicts, not build nations. Using sanctions provides a peaceful way to settle conflicts, rather than carpet bombing the nation into submission, a little more peaceful don't you think? It serves to shut down a nation, rather than give it a reason to fight back and escalate a war.

>I'm not old enough to vote
>yet, but I follow the
>issues anyways. The biggest issues
>in this country have to
>do with labor and healthcare.

Is it? Or are those just the issues you've been hearing the candidates spewing?

>Personally, I like the Republican
>stance of power to the
>people. The Democratic stance seems
>a bit too socialistic. But
>both parties try to appease
>the people, and not the
>general well-being of the nation.
>Like I said, if they
>truly thought of USA-first, and
>other-countries-second, we would not be
>sticking our butts into every
>sopt of the globe that
>has a minor confrontation.

But if they were thinking only USA first wouldn't that be a form of a dictatorship? Afterall where does the voter come into play when the only goal is the nation?

Also, you like the Republican stance of "power to the people," but you think people in general are stupid. Doesn't this clash? Do you *want* the people to screw themselves only to have the government bail them out?

>>Best to beat down those poor
>>people right?
>
>I have nothing against poor people,
>just stupid people. If a
>person strives and truly wants
>to make something of himself/herself,
>they can accomplish anything they
>set their mind to, including
>wealth.

Yes, the United States is the land of opportunity, but opportunity does not knock at everyone's door. Also, when you're beaten down by the system it is harder to get up and make something of your life.

There are many people with a lot of potential but without the resources to make something of their life, and there are a lot of stupid people who are provided for.

>Where in Fallout does it say
>that? The Sierra Army Depot?

On one of the holodisks.

>Maybe I will move up there...until
>it's annexed by the US:)

Maybe it will. 90% of the people live within 100 miles of the USA.

>I'm 16. I don't think I
>can drastically change the way
>America thinks right now. Basically
>the only things I am
>able to change are the
>Internet connection that I have,
>and the amount of money
>that I make. Other than
>that, minors have basically no
>influence on those of the
>older generation.

Then don't complain about it until you've experienced the other side.

>I'll get a job at Interplay
>and make a game that
>voices all my frustrations and
>angers at the world. It
>will be a best-seller, because
>all the problems will be
>dealt with a stiff bullet
>to the head. The problems
>will all be solved by
>the force of guns. Bwahahahaha....

Nah, Interplay wouldn't be interested in that, they're too busy gearing up for Online Game shit.

-Xotor-

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RE: The ignorability of Canadian elections.

>And there shouldn't have. It
>isn't like Yemen in a
>known terrorist country. Though
>many Middle-Eastern countries are slightly
>disgruntled with the United States,
>most will not resort to
>terrorist attacks to get their
>message across. The fact
>is that the Yemen port
>was probably used for years,
>if not decades with no
>terrorist threat and those inflatable
>rafts that help guide the
>boat were probably quite common.

All I'm saying is that in that region of the world, we should take more precautions, due to the history of terrorism.

>What you're saying is almost like
>saying "why did the government
>build a government office in
>Oklahoma when there are people
>who don't like the government
>there, only to have it
>bombed?" The cause of
>the problem isn't the location
>of the port, it is
>the people who will go
>to lengths, even travelling to
>Yemen, to cause terrorist attacks.

Nothing could have been done about Oklahoma.

>>>And would you say the same
>>>about Hitler?
>>
>>The Serbians were not trying to
>>take over the world.
>
>That's not the issue I'm speaking
>of. Should we not
>have stopped Hitler from killing
>20 million Jews? Shouldn't
>we have interfered earlier?

The European countries should have: Poland and Russia and France.

>The UN was created as a
>place where nations could meet
>and settle conflicts, not build
>nations. Using sanctions provides
>a peaceful way to settle
>conflicts, rather than carpet bombing
>the nation into submission, a
>little more peaceful don't you
>think? It serves to
>shut down a nation, rather
>than give it a reason
>to fight back and escalate
>a war.

No, the UN was created after WWII to help the newly independent countries attain national stability, both economically and politically.

>But if they were thinking only
>USA first wouldn't that be
>a form of a dictatorship?
> Afterall where does the
>voter come into play when
>the only goal is the
>nation?

The voting populace should decide what's best for the nation, and in turn being what's best for themselves. If the nation prospers, so do they, if the nation falters, so do they.

>Also, you like the Republican stance
>of "power to the people,"
>but you think people in
>general are stupid. Doesn't
>this clash? Do you
>*want* the people to screw
>themselves only to have the
>government bail them out?

I find Republicans to be more intelligent than Democrats. Bush is an exception, which is probably a reason he is president today.

>There are many people with a
>lot of potential but without
>the resources to make something
>of their life, and there
>are a lot of stupid
>people who are provided for.

True.

>>Where in Fallout does it say
>>that? The Sierra Army Depot?
>
>On one of the holodisks.

I gotta read those things closer.

>>Maybe I will move up there...until
>>it's annexed by the US:)
>
>Maybe it will. 90% of
>the people live within 100
>miles of the USA.

It was just a joke.

>Then don't complain about it until
>you've experienced the other side.

I HAVE TO OR ELSE I WILL GO INSANE!

>>I'll get a job at Interplay
>>and make a game that
>>voices all my frustrations and
>>angers at the world. It
>>will be a best-seller, because
>>all the problems will be
>>dealt with a stiff bullet
>>to the head. The problems
>>will all be solved by
>>the force of guns. Bwahahahaha....
>
>Nah, Interplay wouldn't be interested in
>that, they're too busy gearing
>up for Online Game shit.

I was just kidding.

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>>The States
>>were somewhere around 10th, after
>>countries such as Norway, Holland
>>and Australia.
>
>However you are not seeing the
>entire situation. These countries
>with very high standards of
>living have VERY small populations.

Holland has about 15 million, and it's very densely populated as it's a small country. Population density is the case here, not the total size.

> I would not be
>surprised if the United States
>has more people than every
>country that supposedly beat it
>in standard of living *combined*.

Probably not. Besides, what does it matter?
 
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He had to use my email adress because he has a hotmail account and that does not seem to work with the registration system here (now i regret ever letting him have his password). I told him not to insult people but i guess he would not listen. I hope you believe me, because i would really not like being banned. I did not think he would just flame someone like that.

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