The Virtues of Monopolies and the SUCKAGE of Netscape.

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[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Aug-17-01 AT 09:46PM (GMT)[p]After working with substandard web browsers that have imperfect implementations of HTML, I have come to the conclusion that a browser monopoly by Microsoft IE would be a SERIOUS benefit to the web.

I can't believe how much Nutscrape sucks. The simplest HTML table layout gets FUCKED UP by Cuntscrape. Standards that were in place the DAY the table-standard was CREATED are botched by Nutscrape. Don't even get me started on CSS.

What a POS browser. There was *NO* monopolistic action on part of Microsoft integrating IE into the OS and crushing Netscape's browser dominance. Microsoft was DELIVERING US from an inferior line of browsers that soils the web.

TO HELL WITH NETSCAPE. I only wish I could say that when making web pages for clients... DAMN YOU NETSCAPE. For a browser that is over six years old you really do SUCK.

What I really hate is that I *still* have to provide support for Netscape browsers on client webpages because some people are still in the STONE AGES of browsers. I can't wait until I can seriously say "FUCK Netscape support" as I have with the archaic 216-color palette.

If someone would make a virus or worm that corrupts and/or deletes all copies of Netscape, it would be a blessing to mankind.

-Xotor-

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Damn right! (N/T)



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Well, I know a little java bug in NN which I could exploit to download MSIE 6 onto the user's comp, delete netscape etc... wouldn't be hard at all
 
>>Well, I know a little java
>>bug in NN which I
>>could exploit to download MSIE
>>6 onto the user's comp,
>>delete netscape etc... wouldn't be
>>hard at all
>
>We should spread it around!
>
>-Xotor-
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Hehehe, well as long as it's not as annoying as that sircam virus... I hate the fuckface who started that
 
Sircam

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Aug-18-01 AT 07:12PM (GMT)[p]>Hehehe, well as long as it's
>not as annoying as that
>sircam virus... I hate the
>fuckface who started that


You're not the only one. What I hate even more is the shithead techs who are too damn lazy to do anything to curtail it with crappy excuses and ineptitude in programming SMTP servers. A news server is much more difficult and in my time in the Navy, took me about 2 weeks to be able to learn how to configure it forward and backward. SMTP servers are much easier.

Sad thing is, with big companies like the one where I got that form-letter from, they get paid a bit of money to do essentially nothing. If I was the sysadmin of that ISP, as soon as the SIRCAM_A become prolific to/from/through my users, since POP3 filtering takes a bit more of a traffic hit getting things in and can result in lost email occasionally, I would put a SMTP filter in to block email from users with the specific text match in the message on emails that also had an attachment after notifying the users.

Simple source blocks:

Hi! How are you=3F

I send you this file in order to have your advice

See you later=2E Thanks

======================
That's easy to block, but the config depends on the SMTP server but all ISP-grade ones can do it. However, most ISP sysadmins are quite lazy, I know more than my fair share and unless it's with system integrity, they don't fool with it.
 
Netscape 6.1 rules. Plain and simple, it's the best browser there is.

Hell, you know what I like the best about it? When it crashes, which it rarely does UNLIKE IE, it doesn't take the operating system down with it. That's a big freaking plus in my book, especially when I've been working on a bit of code for a while or a model, and lose a good chunk of my work because MS decided to weave it in to the OS.
Not only that, but NS6.1/Mozilla 0.9.x is also visibly faster at rendering HTML than IE is.

Throw in the fact it's the most configurable browser available, and can be easily modified to suit the needs of the user/developer..
 
*Lights a candle for Saint Proverbius*

Netscape 6 is slow as hell, has a shit interface, doesn't support mousewheel scrolling to the fullest and just plain blows.

MSIE 6 has never crashed for me and I've been using it for 3 or 4 months on win98 and a week or two on 2k. It supports css etc better, has the same security as nutscrape etc. If you want to use a lesser browser at least chose Opera.

>Netscape 6.1 rules. Plain and simple,
>it's the best browser there
>is.
>
>Hell, you know what I like
>the best about it? When
>it crashes, which it rarely
>does UNLIKE IE, it doesn't
>take the operating system down
>with it. That's a big
>freaking plus in my book,
>especially when I've been working
>on a bit of code
>for a while or a
>model, and lose a good
>chunk of my work because
>MS decided to weave it
>in to the OS.
>Not only that, but NS6.1/Mozilla 0.9.x
>is also visibly faster at
>rendering HTML than IE is.
>
>
>Throw in the fact it's the
>most configurable browser available, and
>can be easily modified to
>suit the needs of the
>user/developer..
 
>Netscape 6 is slow as hell,

Netscape 6.0 was slow, NS6.1's HTML render is the fastest there is. Why? Because it's based on Mozilla 0.9.3!

http://www.mozilla.org

>has a shit interface,

Which you're free to change to suit your liking.

>doesn't
>support mousewheel scrolling to the
>fullest

Umm.. What? The mouse wheel is fully configurable in Netscape 6. Always has been.

You don't like it, change your browser preferences. You have the option of changing how many lines it scrolls, altering the text size, moving backward or forward through the browser history, and so on. You can even assign different mouse wheel tasks based on hotkey + mouse wheel assignment.

> and just plain blows.

Considering none of your other arguments have held up to this point...
 
>>Netscape 6 is slow as hell,
>
>Netscape 6.0 was slow, NS6.1's HTML
>render is the fastest there
>is. Why? Because it's based
>on Mozilla 0.9.3!
>
>http://www.mozilla.org
>
>>has a shit interface,
>
>Which you're free to change to
>suit your liking.
>
>>doesn't
>>support mousewheel scrolling to the
>>fullest
>
>Umm.. What? The mouse wheel is
>fully configurable in Netscape 6.
>Always has been.
>
>You don't like it, change your
>browser preferences. You have the
>option of changing how many
>lines it scrolls, altering the
>text size, moving backward or
>forward through the browser history,
>and so on. You can
>even assign different mouse wheel
>tasks based on hotkey +
>mouse wheel assignment.
>
>> and just plain blows.
>
>Considering none of your other arguments
>have held up to this
>point...

Hmm... well MSIE 6 is still my preference, the only thing I wish they'd change is when you press refresh it downloads the page again and doesn't fetch a cached page. The only thing that needs to be fixed.
 
>Netscape 6.1 rules. Plain and simple,
>it's the best browser there
>is.

Are you fucking kidding? That clunky browser is slow, hard to work with, and uses more memory than even IE!

>Hell, you know what I like
>the best about it? When
>it crashes, which it rarely
>does UNLIKE IE, it doesn't
>take the operating system down
>with it.

IE *NEVER* takes down my OS with it. The only annoying thing about it crashing is that it usually takes down all the other IE windows open with it. Sometimes it only takes down one window which is nice.

>That's a big
>freaking plus in my book,
>especially when I've been working
>on a bit of code
>for a while or a
>model, and lose a good
>chunk of my work because
>MS decided to weave it
>in to the OS.

I can't believe you haven't gotten used to hitting Ctrl-S every three seconds. On any OS it should be a habit.

>Not only that, but NS6.1/Mozilla 0.9.x
>is also visibly faster at
>rendering HTML than IE is.

It takes FOREVER to load on my little Linux Machine. I'd rather use Opera than Netscape. At least it doesn't eat up memory like a bitch.

>Throw in the fact it's the
>most configurable browser available, and
>can be easily modified to
>suit the needs of the
>user/developer..

Feh, you mean a browser that can't interpret some of the code that its previous version 4.x can? It's probably the best *Netscape* version, but certainly not the best browser. I'd rather use Opera than Netscape. Opera's a 2 meg download.

-Xotor-

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Yeah, Opera is a sweet little number.

Now, if you were just doing text-based browsing, I do have a 500kb browser in Perl... :P
 
>Another fine feature that Netscape can't
>match is that it doesn't
>work with my PopUp Stopper
>program which prevents popups from
>occuring unless I hold Ctrl
>or Shift...

What language did you code it in and could I have a copy? Soudns like a very useful proggy.

>Pretty nice,
>considering even www.netscape.com has popups
>(how lame is that?!?)

ROFL!

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>Are you fucking kidding? That
>clunky browser is slow, hard
>to work with, and uses
>more memory than even IE!

Obviously you haven't tried Netscape 6.1 or Mozilla 0.9.3, considering none of those statements are completely accurate.

The memory thing depends on which theme you use. I have 256MB, so I can afford to use a very fancy theme, called Sky Pilot. For people with memory concerns, there are various "Lite" themes found on x.themes.org which have much smaller footprints.

Also, IE does use a hell of a lot of memory. That's one of the main reasons Win98 takes up more memory on start-up than Win95 does, it has to pre-load a lot of that IE crap when it starts up. There are several utilities that can remove IE from Win98 or WinME, and there's a noticable difference in how fast the OS will load and how much memory it takes up after the removal. So, don't give me this horseshit about how much less memory IE takes up.

>IE *NEVER* takes down my OS
>with it. The only
>annoying thing about it crashing
>is that it usually takes
>down all the other IE
>windows open with it.
>Sometimes it only takes down
>one window which is nice.

Lucky you, it's done it on several of my systems, several times. That why I no longer use it. Considering IE is linked in with Explorer, I'm frankly astonished that it has never taken down the OS when it crashes for you. It's nearly out of the realm of possibility.

>I can't believe you haven't gotten
>used to hitting Ctrl-S every
>three seconds. On any
>OS it should be a
>habit.

Well, considering Visual C++ *requires* you to use IE for the help system(which is illegal, BTW), I usually do save before I gander at those help files these days.

However, that's beside the point, isn't it? I should have to be more responsible because of MicroSoft forcing me to use an obviously flawed piece of software? The only reason Visual C++ requires you to use IE is because of that whole browser war thing. Windows has had a viable, and stable, help system format since Windows95.

Also, why should it require IE to view those files? They're just HTML, after all.

Face it, that's just plain wrong.

>It takes FOREVER to load on
>my little Linux Machine.
>I'd rather use Opera than
>Netscape. At least it
>doesn't eat up memory like
>a bitch.

Try the -turbo command line option then. Oh, didn't know about that? How shocking.

>Feh, you mean a browser that
>can't interpret some of the
>code that its previous version
>4.x can?

I haven't run across a site yet with the release version Netscape 6.1 that didn't look right.

>It's probably
>the best *Netscape* version, but
>certainly not the best browser.
> I'd rather use Opera
>than Netscape. Opera's a
>2 meg download.

Opera is nice, but it doesn't have all the features of Netscape 6.1 either. I do like the fact you can open multiple windows inside one browser, but you can also do that with a Mozilla modification.
 
Umm.. I have a pop up stopping program that works with Netscape. In fact, it works with nearly any browser that's your default browser. It's hardly the fault of Netscape that your pop up stopping program only works with the default browser, as most do.
 
>>Another fine feature that Netscape can't
>>match is that it doesn't
>>work with my PopUp Stopper
>>program which prevents popups from
>>occuring unless I hold Ctrl
>>or Shift...
>
>What language did you code it
>in and could I have
>a copy? Soudns like a
>very useful proggy.

I didn't code it, but you can find it at http://www.panicware.com/product_dpps.html

*Just in* Now there's a version for Netscape!

-Xotor-

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>Umm.. I have a pop up
>stopping program that works with
>Netscape. In fact, it works
>with nearly any browser that's
>your default browser. It's hardly
>the fault of Netscape that
>your pop up stopping program
>only works with the default
>browser, as most do.

Actually I just learned that there's a version for Netscape. It won't work for both versions because they use different methods of generating new windows.

-Xotor-

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>>Are you fucking kidding? That
>>clunky browser is slow, hard
>>to work with, and uses
>>more memory than even IE!
>
>Obviously you haven't tried Netscape 6.1
>or Mozilla 0.9.3, considering none
>of those statements are completely
>accurate.

I have tried Mozilla 0.9.3 and it took a few MINUTES to load up on the machine I was using it on. I thought it crashed X or something.

>The memory thing depends on which
>theme you use. I have
>256MB, so I can afford
>to use a very fancy
>theme, called Sky Pilot. For
>people with memory concerns, there
>are various "Lite" themes found
>on x.themes.org which have much
>smaller footprints.

Using the default theme it takes 30 MEGS of memory. IE only takes 20.

>Also, IE does use a hell
>of a lot of memory.

Nutscrape uses even MORE. How does over 50 MB with a single BLANK PAGE sound? How about over 30 MB of memory unreleased on closedown? http://www.mozillaquest.com/News01/Netscape-6-1_Mozilla-0-9-2-1_source_story-01.html

>That's one of the main
>reasons Win98 takes up more
>memory on start-up than Win95
>does, it has to pre-load
>a lot of that IE
>crap when it starts up.
>There are several utilities that
>can remove IE from Win98
>or WinME, and there's a
>noticable difference in how fast
>the OS will load and
>how much memory it takes
>up after the removal. So,
>don't give me this horseshit
>about how much less memory
>IE takes up.

Oh I sure do when 6 pages can take up almost HALF my physical memory on a 256 meg machine.

>Lucky you, it's done it on
>several of my systems, several
>times. That why I no
>longer use it. Considering IE
>is linked in with Explorer,
>I'm frankly astonished that it
>has never taken down the
>OS when it crashes for
>you. It's nearly out of
>the realm of possibility.

The truth is that IE rarely crashes on my system at all. NS 4.6 used to have a bug on my system where it would eat up all physical memory almost instantly and I had to kill it off manually.

>Well, considering Visual C++ *requires* you
>to use IE for the
>help system(which is illegal, BTW),
>I usually do save before
>I gander at those help
>files these days.
>
>However, that's beside the point, isn't
>it? I should have to
>be more responsible because of
>MicroSoft forcing me to use
>an obviously flawed piece of
>software? The only reason Visual
>C++ requires you to use
>IE is because of that
>whole browser war thing. Windows
>has had a viable, and
>stable, help system format since
>Windows95.
>
>Also, why should it require IE
>to view those files? They're
>just HTML, after all.
>
>Face it, that's just plain wrong.

I don't know about wrong.

>>It takes FOREVER to load on
>>my little Linux Machine.
>>I'd rather use Opera than
>>Netscape. At least it
>>doesn't eat up memory like
>>a bitch.
>
>Try the -turbo command line option
>then. Oh, didn't know about
>that? How shocking.

Aye.. it does improve things... but I'd just as well rather use Opera.

>>Feh, you mean a browser that
>>can't interpret some of the
>>code that its previous version
>>4.x can?
>
>I haven't run across a site
>yet with the release version
>Netscape 6.1 that didn't look
>right.

Probably because more and more sites are ignoring 4.x's idiosyncracies.

I did always like Netscape's download dialogue though... although now they have that Smart Download... bleh.

-Xotor-

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