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Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
ill try to keep my eyes open, its possible that his predictions will happen
Time Traveler: John Titor
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Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Well Kharn, as usual for a European, you totally do not understand what the 2nd amendment to the US constitution represents.
Let's break this down a little,
This is the most important part of this amendment, as it was the repression of EUROPEAN governments and their oppression of their own people that brought about this amendment. As the founding fathers did NOT want a repeat of the European oppression brought to the new world.
these three things are why if the US government continues to repress and take away the rights of the American citizen it WILL come down to a civil war.
So even if Elissar did not put it elequlently enough for you, he represents the opinion of the majority of the American citizenry.
Cheers Thorgrimm
Let's break this down a little,
This is the most important part of this amendment, as it was the repression of EUROPEAN governments and their oppression of their own people that brought about this amendment. As the founding fathers did NOT want a repeat of the European oppression brought to the new world.
Thomas Jefferson wrote those words, and they have a bearing on why the 2nd amendment was made.
these three things are why if the US government continues to repress and take away the rights of the American citizen it WILL come down to a civil war.
So even if Elissar did not put it elequlently enough for you, he represents the opinion of the majority of the American citizenry.
Cheers Thorgrimm
A civil war might be worse though if every citizen over 20 owns an automatic rifle. 
It is unlawful for any US Citizen to own an automatic weapon of any kind.
I wont deny that several thousand do but those are mostly drug dealers and crackpot militia's.
Thanks for backing me up ther thorogrim.. I've never really been known for my eloquance(sp?)..
There are more important issues at hand. I exersize my right to own firearms as does my entire family,
I took the oath when i swore into th US ARMY to defend my countrymen, i didnt do this for glory, or money, or thrills.. I did it for those i love. I did it to protect my family, my friends, the children i havent yet spawned, people i havent met, people i will never meet..
I dont know.. I ges i was just raised to believe that human life, even the lives of those i have never and will never meet is valuable enough to be defended, even if it comes at the cost of my own life. Thats why i joined, thats why i voulenteered to go to Iraq, thats why i voulenteered to go to afganistan... shame that both got canceled. I still have hope though.
I wont deny that several thousand do but those are mostly drug dealers and crackpot militia's.
Thanks for backing me up ther thorogrim.. I've never really been known for my eloquance(sp?)..
There are more important issues at hand. I exersize my right to own firearms as does my entire family,
I took the oath when i swore into th US ARMY to defend my countrymen, i didnt do this for glory, or money, or thrills.. I did it for those i love. I did it to protect my family, my friends, the children i havent yet spawned, people i havent met, people i will never meet..
I dont know.. I ges i was just raised to believe that human life, even the lives of those i have never and will never meet is valuable enough to be defended, even if it comes at the cost of my own life. Thats why i joined, thats why i voulenteered to go to Iraq, thats why i voulenteered to go to afganistan... shame that both got canceled. I still have hope though.
quietfanatic
Ancient One
I think the guy's hilarious in some points and interesting in others.
A future where the US is taken over by hill billies with values. How great.
Australia fights off a Chinese Invasion (that's priceless)
The statue of a man holding his shotgun in one hand and the constitution in the other.
In regard to gun ownership, I think people are already dangerous enough without weaponry. We are studying the rise of the Nazi's and the plentiful, legal militia's were just threatening private armies (storm troopers, red banner/communists, freikorps etc) who helped destroy democracy. But that is a discussion for another time maybe.
A future where the US is taken over by hill billies with values. How great.
Australia fights off a Chinese Invasion (that's priceless)
The statue of a man holding his shotgun in one hand and the constitution in the other.
In regard to gun ownership, I think people are already dangerous enough without weaponry. We are studying the rise of the Nazi's and the plentiful, legal militia's were just threatening private armies (storm troopers, red banner/communists, freikorps etc) who helped destroy democracy. But that is a discussion for another time maybe.
Quiet fanatic wrote
" A future where the US is taken over by hill billies with values. How great. "
Well Quietfanatic as you are a member of the British commonwealth, i do not expect you to understand the US constitution, and by your post i see you do not. So your opinion on the matter does not matter one whit to Americans. 8)
Cheers Thorgrimm
" A future where the US is taken over by hill billies with values. How great. "
Well Quietfanatic as you are a member of the British commonwealth, i do not expect you to understand the US constitution, and by your post i see you do not. So your opinion on the matter does not matter one whit to Americans. 8)
Cheers Thorgrimm
Gun ownership is useless without the knolege of gun usage and control, and the dedication to humanity necessary to both take lives and save them by usage of the gun.
You can own all the guns you want to, but unless youou are both willing to use them, and know how to use them effectively it means nothing.
as far as the person in question.. It i my belief that he was just a lonely person looking fo attention. I could be wrong, but then, only time will tell.
You can own all the guns you want to, but unless youou are both willing to use them, and know how to use them effectively it means nothing.
as far as the person in question.. It i my belief that he was just a lonely person looking fo attention. I could be wrong, but then, only time will tell.
But why this absolute need for guns? If you're so scared and paranoid, lock the door. I sure hope you don't HAVE to shoot at anyone who steps on your precious property. If a gun is fun, get an air rifle. I did, and it's lots of fun, less expensive, pollutes less,...
I don't think this guy was a time traveler, but he's telling something that could actually happen, if you don't stop gunning.
And by the way, a 12-gauge can be just as dangerous as an automatic weapon. Just like a hunting rifle. With a scope.
I don't think this guy was a time traveler, but he's telling something that could actually happen, if you don't stop gunning.
And by the way, a 12-gauge can be just as dangerous as an automatic weapon. Just like a hunting rifle. With a scope.
Baboon said:
There is an absolute need for guns because those who would threaten our freedoms have guns.. I defy you to defeat me and my M-16 with your air rifle.. if you can do that i will lay down all my guns and become a pacifist for the rest of my days.
Baboon wrote
Your air rifle wiil not keep the Jackboots from knocking down your door and hauling you off to where ever they want to take you. Or confiscating your items, or shooting you for your opinion.
I have also read classified reports, when the Soviet Union was still intact, that the KGB and GRU stated that to control the US they would have to "liquidate" about 20% of the population, and would lose about 5 million men to accomplish that fact. Can you guess why? It was BECAUSE so many Americans own firearms, and are willing to use them. So since the KGB and GRU could not guarantee control of the populace without catastrophic losses. they started to look for other ways to pacify Americans.
Cheers Thorgrimm
Your air rifle wiil not keep the Jackboots from knocking down your door and hauling you off to where ever they want to take you. Or confiscating your items, or shooting you for your opinion.
I have also read classified reports, when the Soviet Union was still intact, that the KGB and GRU stated that to control the US they would have to "liquidate" about 20% of the population, and would lose about 5 million men to accomplish that fact. Can you guess why? It was BECAUSE so many Americans own firearms, and are willing to use them. So since the KGB and GRU could not guarantee control of the populace without catastrophic losses. they started to look for other ways to pacify Americans.
Cheers Thorgrimm
quietfanatic
Ancient One
Elissar said:
Have I momentarily lost my sense of humour?
Men such as you have no balls and should stay quiet and follow the orders of your commanding officer, for your own good.
What would stop people from taking over? We have the army (which needs no explanation)and the people. People in Western democracy have morals and values of freedom and equality and will not tolerate tyranny.
Even in the previously mentioned example of the anarchic Germany, there was a coup by military people but they were thrown out without the need for guns, by people power through passive resistance and industrial action. Hitler was elected to become the Chancellor of Germany. This also happened in Spain when some of Franco's supporters tried to snatch power from the democratic Government. They walked in to Parliament and the politicians stood up to the thugs with guns and pretty much said "shoot us you weak bastards". They were useless, mindless people with only a destructive weapon to give them any power. Against rational thought and solidarity, a show of armed force is useless. The Fascists were told to stop wasting the democracy's time and piss off.
In America you must not have the sufficient morals, intelligence and patriotism to deal with possible problems, so you must rely on having fire arms. You must not be a Democracy because a democracy has no need of an armed rabble to maintain personal freedom.
But then again, it could be something to do with an outdated amendment written in a totally different social and political context. It is like the Taliban whose extreme, archaic laws and lifestyle caused terrible damage to society.
Why do you like guns so much?
I think it is merely because you are a man whose testosterone warped mind has convinced you that we still live in the stone age where the threat of physical danger is commonplace. Has your neighbour tried to steal your SUV/livestock, rape your women and enslave your kids. Ahhhh NO. But how many kids accidentally get shot screwing around with guns only for 'self defense'. Guns are tools used for efficiently killing people, not for maintaining civil liberties. Play with an air rifle to stop your brains from melting because we are not having a war in America (well not until 2005 apparently
).In regards to the shotty, our time travelling friend used a shotgun in the war, even though a cheap AK or the like would obviously be far superior.
Thank you quietfanatic! I see light in these forums once again.
You others, like Elissar and Thorgrimm: have you ever had the need for a gun? I don't have a gun. I'm still alive and well. I would think that if you're dumb enough to even think you need a gun in everyday life you're probably too dumb to use it too, and run a great risk of shooting your head off by mistake.
As for protecting yourself against "invasion", I doubt you need to worry. I find it difficult to imagine thousands of Islamic terrorists walking down the streets of NYC, shooting random people.
And last time I checked, you have the MOST POWERFUL ARMY IN THE WORLD to protect you from that by bombing them all to the ground in countries you had never heard off before or whose names you can't pronounce.
Also, who would take over and form a dictatorship? People with guns: people like you. No gun, lots of fun.
Didn't you say yourself that automatic weapons are illegal (although I doubt that, I've seen many people with them)? Then where would you get your M-16 and M-249? I'm saying that you can disable someone with a handgun without killing him. You can't do that with a 12-gauge. Fatal wound there.
Just admit that you like guns and killing rather than throwing weak "I wanna be a soldier when I grow up" arguments, it's getting very tiring.
And BTW, I could pwn you with my air rifle. I'd just ambush you and put a Diablo pellet through your eye. I'd like to see you use your M-16 after that.
You others, like Elissar and Thorgrimm: have you ever had the need for a gun? I don't have a gun. I'm still alive and well. I would think that if you're dumb enough to even think you need a gun in everyday life you're probably too dumb to use it too, and run a great risk of shooting your head off by mistake.
As for protecting yourself against "invasion", I doubt you need to worry. I find it difficult to imagine thousands of Islamic terrorists walking down the streets of NYC, shooting random people.
And last time I checked, you have the MOST POWERFUL ARMY IN THE WORLD to protect you from that by bombing them all to the ground in countries you had never heard off before or whose names you can't pronounce.
Also, who would take over and form a dictatorship? People with guns: people like you. No gun, lots of fun.
Didn't you say yourself that automatic weapons are illegal (although I doubt that, I've seen many people with them)? Then where would you get your M-16 and M-249? I'm saying that you can disable someone with a handgun without killing him. You can't do that with a 12-gauge. Fatal wound there.
Just admit that you like guns and killing rather than throwing weak "I wanna be a soldier when I grow up" arguments, it's getting very tiring.
And BTW, I could pwn you with my air rifle. I'd just ambush you and put a Diablo pellet through your eye. I'd like to see you use your M-16 after that.
Johns Volition
Still Mildly Glowing
Well they where in the military... So they might had have a need for guns...
But serious, It is retarded to think that a gun would make life saver... let's face the fact: the sole purpose of handguns, and automatics is either to threat or to injure a living person...
Even if you catch a robber in your house, a gun in your hand would actually increase the chance that you die.. why so? because people who are cornered tend far easier to violence... and even if you shoot him before he does you, all you had archived is that you killed a person... and who on earth give you that right?
But serious, It is retarded to think that a gun would make life saver... let's face the fact: the sole purpose of handguns, and automatics is either to threat or to injure a living person...
Even if you catch a robber in your house, a gun in your hand would actually increase the chance that you die.. why so? because people who are cornered tend far easier to violence... and even if you shoot him before he does you, all you had archived is that you killed a person... and who on earth give you that right?
Exactly. If I were in a war or an armed conflict, and had a gun, and if two enemies came at me, one with a gun and one unarmed, who would I shoot first? The one with the gun, of course. Guns are bullet-magnets.
Daemon Spawn
Old Warrior of the Wastes
quietfanatic said:Elissar said:
Have I momentarily lost my sense of humour?
Men such as you have no balls and should stay quiet and follow the orders of your commanding officer, for your own good.
What would stop people from taking over? We have the army (which needs no explanation)and the people. People in Western democracy have morals and values of freedom and equality and will not tolerate tyranny.
Even in the previously mentioned example of the anarchic Germany, there was a coup by military people but they were thrown out without the need for guns, by people power through passive resistance and industrial action. Hitler was elected to become the Chancellor of Germany. This also happened in Spain when some of Franco's supporters tried to snatch power from the democratic Government. They walked in to Parliament and the politicians stood up to the thugs with guns and pretty much said "shoot us you weak bastards". They were useless, mindless people with only a destructive weapon to give them any power. Against rational thought and solidarity, a show of armed force is useless. The Fascists were told to stop wasting the democracy's time and piss off.
In America you must not have the sufficient morals, intelligence and patriotism to deal with possible problems, so you must rely on having fire arms. You must not be a Democracy because a democracy has no need of an armed rabble to maintain personal freedom.
But then again, it could be something to do with an outdated amendment written in a totally different social and political context. It is like the Taliban whose extreme, archaic laws and lifestyle caused terrible damage to society.
Why do you like guns so much?
I think it is merely because you are a man whose testosterone warped mind has convinced you that we still live in the stone age where the threat of physical danger is commonplace. Has your neighbour tried to steal your SUV/livestock, rape your women and enslave your kids. Ahhhh NO. But how many kids accidentally get shot screwing around with guns only for 'self defense'. Guns are tools used for efficiently killing people, not for maintaining civil liberties. Play with an air rifle to stop your brains from melting because we are not having a war in America (well not until 2005 apparently
In regards to the shotty, our time travelling friend used a shotgun in the war, even though a cheap AK or the like would obviously be far superior.
Possibly the best post I've ever read.
Quietfanatic wrote
Now that has got to be the stupidest statement on post WW1 Germany i have ever seen. As i seem to recall that the Socialist and communist revolts in Germany were put down by the FREIKORPS, aka former soldiers who fought tp prevent the communists gaining control of Germany.
Baboon wrote
Now this is just sheer stupidity. no other comment is required.
I have never seen such a bunch of hand wringing pussies in all my life gathered like this. I bet all you gents also sing Kumbaya all the while saying things like if we ignore the problem it will go away.
And as for what the non Americans think about the US 2nd amendment, tough shit. And Quietfool, Australia would have been speaking Japanese if it were not for gun toting Americans, Europe would have been singing Deutschland Uber Alles, till hell froze over. That is what America gets for helping out the whiners of the world, ingratitude. So i just laugh at all you unfortunate people born someplace else without a bill of rights.
The reason for my diatribe is this i tried to point out the reasons for the 2nd Amendment to the US constitution, then morons started to come out of the woodwork and spouting insults, so i am spouting back.
Thorgrimm
Now that has got to be the stupidest statement on post WW1 Germany i have ever seen. As i seem to recall that the Socialist and communist revolts in Germany were put down by the FREIKORPS, aka former soldiers who fought tp prevent the communists gaining control of Germany.
Baboon wrote
Now this is just sheer stupidity. no other comment is required.
I have never seen such a bunch of hand wringing pussies in all my life gathered like this. I bet all you gents also sing Kumbaya all the while saying things like if we ignore the problem it will go away.
And as for what the non Americans think about the US 2nd amendment, tough shit. And Quietfool, Australia would have been speaking Japanese if it were not for gun toting Americans, Europe would have been singing Deutschland Uber Alles, till hell froze over. That is what America gets for helping out the whiners of the world, ingratitude. So i just laugh at all you unfortunate people born someplace else without a bill of rights.
The reason for my diatribe is this i tried to point out the reasons for the 2nd Amendment to the US constitution, then morons started to come out of the woodwork and spouting insults, so i am spouting back.
Thorgrimm
I'd appreciate it if a gun thread could, for once, be done without a range of insults.
Both sides have insulted eachother now, and especially Thorgrimms last post is completely unnecessary.
In a debate, you do not call opinions stupid, you do not insult people by calling them pussies or saying they sing Kumbaya all the time, you do not distort people's names. You also don't call people paranoid, retarded, balless or anything of the like.
Now, there are some grave mistakes being made on both sides. Guns CAN be useful to keep people from taking over, there are numerous incidents where a government has been violently overthrown. And what the anti-gun people are forgetting, is that the army can go against the people as well. Look at Chili. After the democratic election of a socialist president, the army, under the leadership of Pinochet, threw him out(with USA support, I might add). One instance where the army could not protect the people from a dictatorship, because the army instated a dictatorship.
Now, I'd also like to add that there is no evidence for ANY statement with regards to gun regulation. There have been several inquiries, but they are all disputable or contradicting. Whether you like it or not, there is no evidence that having a gun will actually increase the risk of you getting shot, and there is no evidence that banning guns will make it harder for criminals to get guns. There is also no evidence for the theory that those guns in those houses actually save lives, or stop burglars more than they hurt innocent people either.
EDIT: Thank you, Murdoch.
Both sides have insulted eachother now, and especially Thorgrimms last post is completely unnecessary.
In a debate, you do not call opinions stupid, you do not insult people by calling them pussies or saying they sing Kumbaya all the time, you do not distort people's names. You also don't call people paranoid, retarded, balless or anything of the like.
Now, there are some grave mistakes being made on both sides. Guns CAN be useful to keep people from taking over, there are numerous incidents where a government has been violently overthrown. And what the anti-gun people are forgetting, is that the army can go against the people as well. Look at Chili. After the democratic election of a socialist president, the army, under the leadership of Pinochet, threw him out(with USA support, I might add). One instance where the army could not protect the people from a dictatorship, because the army instated a dictatorship.
Now, I'd also like to add that there is no evidence for ANY statement with regards to gun regulation. There have been several inquiries, but they are all disputable or contradicting. Whether you like it or not, there is no evidence that having a gun will actually increase the risk of you getting shot, and there is no evidence that banning guns will make it harder for criminals to get guns. There is also no evidence for the theory that those guns in those houses actually save lives, or stop burglars more than they hurt innocent people either.
EDIT: Thank you, Murdoch.
Pinochet, Sander.
[slinks back out of sight to watch the pretty colors coming from this flame war]
[slinks back out of sight to watch the pretty colors coming from this flame war]