Translations of the Koran

[John Uskglass]

Efendim!
Okay, I seem to be getting alot of shit about the translations I use of the Koran.
Well, firstly, let me say that your complaints are asinine and idiotic, as the only quotes I use come from obviously Muslim hosted sites.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

This is an electronic version of The Holy Qur'an, translated by M.H. Shakir and published by Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc., in 1983. The text was provided by the Online Book Initiative and subsequently marked up at the HTI in SGML. Like all the versions of this text derived from the Online Book Initiative, it is not free from errors. We will strive to correct any errors pointed out to us.

This is the only site I have ever used for quotes from the Koran, for other things I may go to the Secularization site - http://www.secularislam.org/Default.htm - which, while certainly extreme, says nothing which is not backed up with facts.

Now, for future referance, I will use Sander's excellent site
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
Which offers 3 diffirent translations of every verse, hence the argument "it is all the translation" shall consistently proven to be the total, utter, bullshit that it is, okay?

And if anyone, ever, anywhere suggest that I am somehow inherintly baiesd against all Muslims, or that I think that all Muslims are all foaming at the mouth Ghazis, I will jump through the monitar and kick your ass until you make Goatse look like J.Lo. I spend hours a day slaving to learn Turkish with no outside help other then a book compiled shortly after Attaturk got rid of Ottoman script, I did not do that to be accused of being predjucie!

 

[evilmonkey]

so you are still at it CCR.

somewhat intresting that you thought a gamecommunity would be the right forum for observations and theories based from the koran, or kubrick.

not complaining or anything thought, but wouldn't it be more giving to find forums that are activly speaking on the subject at hand, and thus recive more inspired comments on your search?

or movie forums for kubrick etc.

because at some level - past that of general care and knowlage - your feedback will probably suffer due to the lack of knowlage/intrest from the commuinty at hand not focused in any way at the subject you so seem to love.

 

[Gwydion]

somewhat intresting that you thought a gamecommunity would be the right forum for observations and theories based from the koran, or kubrick.

not complaining or anything thought, but wouldn't it be more giving to find forums that are activly speaking on the subject at hand, and thus recive more inspired comments on your search?

 

[Elissar]

because at some level - past that of general care and knowlage - your feedback will probably suffer due to the lack of knowlage/intrest from the commuinty at hand not focused in any way at the subject you so seem to love.

Actually CCR's posting of this type of thing here is quite appropiate not everyone who reads these forums has both the time and/or desire to go browsing boards that are active and specifically for said topics.

Hense hosting small discussions here does allow for those of us interested in some small way, even if we dont have quite the knowlage you seem to on the subject, is benificial to the community.

 

[Sander]

Thank you for your illustrative language-use, CCR...

 

[Brother None]

Which offers 3 diffirent translations of every verse, hence the argument "it is all the translation" shall consistently proven to be the total, utter, bullshit that it is, okay?

You manage to miss the point. It's still a translation, hence not valid

I'm not going to complain about it, because I don't personally hold faith in the holiness of the original language of the Qu'uran, but don't start a religious argument with a muslim when all you have to back yourself up with are translation

And if anyone, ever, anywhere suggest that I am somehow inherintly baiesd against all Muslims, or that I think that all Muslims are all foaming at the mouth Ghazis, I will jump through the monitar and kick your ass until you make Goatse look like J.Lo. I spend hours a day slaving to learn Turkish with no outside help other then a book compiled shortly after Attaturk got rid of Ottoman script, I did not do that to be accused of being predjucie!

You should've used those hours chugging beer

It's so much more productive

Also, what does learning Turkish have to do with your bias? Which, much as you love to deny it, exists.

 

[JJ86]

From UPenn's Online Books site I found this link:

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/

I don't think there is going to be too much of a difference between translations or between the original text. I assume reading anything specialized like a holy text requires a certain amount of foreknowledge. To read it without being exposed to it constantly since birth is still not going to give you a complete understanding.

Truly learning a language is a lifetime process - I know plenty of people that have learned english for a dozen years but still don't have the understanding of the multiple meanings in many phrases.

 

[Montez]

I spend hours a day slaving to learn Turkish with no outside help other then a book compiled shortly after Attaturk got rid of Ottoman script, I did not do that to be accused of being predjucie!

Ah, to be young and be able to waste precious time on useless endeavors again.

 

[John Uskglass]

Ah, to be young and be able to waste precious time on useless endeavors again.

Not really. I can already read quite a bit, know quite a few of the sayings (which, btw, are alot more prevelant than in any other language imagineable). I am willing to bet that, within a few hours I could be able to speak it quite well.

Truly learning a language is a lifetime process - I know plenty of people that have learned english for a dozen years but still don't have the understanding of the multiple meanings in many phrases.

Quite true, particularly with the Koran.

I'm not going to complain about it, because I don't personally hold faith in the holiness of the original language of the Qu'uran, but don't start a religious argument with a muslim when all you have to back yourself up with are translation

A translation done by a Muslim who has spent most of his life learning the Koran and English, accunuliting in a concise transaltion of it......three times. I'd call that almost as good as being able to comprehend the Arabic.
Not to mention that Arabic, like all languages, is not immoblie. It moves, it adds words......and the Koran was written 1400 years ago.

You should've used those hours chugging beer

It's so much more productive

I'm 16, maybe in your nation you can do that, but I have to wait another 8 years.

 

[Brother None]

Not really. I can already read quite a bit, know quite a few of the sayings (which, btw, are alot more prevelant than in any other language imagineable). I am willing to bet that, within a few hours I could be able to speak it quite well.

HOURS?!

A translation done by a Muslim who has spent most of his life learning the Koran and English, accunuliting in a concise transaltion of it......three times. I'd call that almost as good as being able to comprehend the Arabic.
Not to mention that Arabic, like all languages, is not immoblie. It moves, it adds words......and the Koran was written 1400 years ago.

I know, but you won't get that past a good god-fearing muslim.

I'm 16, maybe in your nation you can do that, but I have to wait another 8 years.

1) who cares what the legal age is?

z) 8 years?! 24 years old?! Where do you live, Uzbekistan?!

I) No offense to Uzbekistanians

8) is a cool number

+) just drink

 

[Montez]

Not really. I can already read quite a bit, know quite a few of the sayings (which, btw, are alot more prevelant than in any other language imagineable). I am willing to bet that, within a few hours I could be able to speak it quite well.

I just wonder why out of all the things you could pursue, even within the realm of language, you would spend time learning Turkish, and learning it through a book from the 1920's.

 

[John Uskglass]

HOURS?!

Yeah. I watch Turkish films, listen to Turkish music so I can nail it. I just have a few questions as to a few things, then Id probably be able to have a conversation.

I know, but you won't get that past a good god-fearing muslim.

Yeah, you can.
For instance, the quote I provide the most often- the "Lock her in her house if she is a skank", if we aplly the rules of Medival Arabic becomes "lock the child of a woman (the mother, btw, not the child) in the house until she/he is dead". Not sure about this particular case, as it was from a retarted Ba'hai who lies so often you wonder if he is even Ba'hai.

+) just drink

O, I get around it. In Britan I look alot older (I am 6'2, btw), in Japan I have flirted with the idea of picking up a prostitute.

z) 8 years?! 24 years old?! Where do you live, Uzbekistan?!

Sorry, 5.

 

[John Uskglass]

Not really. I can already read quite a bit, know quite a few of the sayings (which, btw, are alot more prevelant than in any other language imagineable). I am willing to bet that, within a few hours I could be able to speak it quite well.

I just wonder why out of all the things you could pursue, even within the realm of language, you would spend time learning Turkish, and learning it through a book from the 1920's.

Good for wrote learning, and I simply dont have the money to buy something else.
It is also a great book, belonged to my great uncle, who went to Harvard at 15, had a mental breakdown at 19, then moved to Greece, then to Turkey.....weird guy.

 

[Brother None]

It is also a great book, belonged to my great uncle, who went to Harvard at 15, had a mental breakdown at 19, then moved to Greece, then to Turkey.....weird guy.

Ugh, yeah, how 'bout you not do the same, huh?

O, I get around it. In Britan I look alot older (I am 6'2, btw), in Japan I have flirted with the idea of picking up a prostitute.

So why didn't you?

Where's the harm?

Man, you've been to a lot of places for your age, n'est pas? With your parents or solo?

 

[Pope Viper]

+) just drink

Words to live by.

Can't want to hit the CBF tonight (Cold Beer Fridge).

 

[John Uskglass]

So why didn't you?

Where's the harm?

Man, you've been to a lot of places for your age, n'est pas? With your parents or solo?

Britan, Japan, Canada.......not as many as it may seem. The rest I have only been in for less then a week.

My father has strong ties to Japan (went on a mission there, is fluent, works for a Japanese corporation), and have lived there for several years. My mother's parents live in Britan, I lived there for a year. Not that hard.

My parents where around. I would have had to have mad an elaborate excuse for not showing up for several hourse, and coming back dishoveled.

 

[Ozrat]

You honestly think it will only take "hours" to learn how to speak a language well enough for a normal conversation?

Puh-lease. You can read as much Turkish as you want, but that won't do anything for vocal mastery of the language. Endless hours of practice with people who have Turish as their native language is the only way you're ever going to become good at the language.

People can take a language book and/or audio cassette to try to learn a lanuage. They can recite the words endlessly and think that they're speaking the language quite well. But the majority of the time the result is that when they try to hold a conversation with somebody who speaks that language, there are going to be a lot of miscommunications.

As nice as it would be to think so, don't fool yourself into thinking that this can be achieved.