We are well aware Jericho exists. Are you? I think you are.

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Thanks to a million-gajillion news reports dropped in our letterbox we've become very acutely aware of CBS' post-apocalyptic drama show Jericho, painfully acute. Also a grand coincidence of no important to anyone whatsoever is that the second episode was called Fallout. Fantastic, no?

But, to be serious, the show is getting good marks and probably worth checking out for post-apocalyptic fans.

Link: Jericho on CBS, includes full episodes (viewable only from the US)
 
It should be noted that because CBS are "teh gay" you can't watch the episodes from the website outside of the United States :(
 
mortiz said:
It should be noted that because CBS are "teh gay" you can't watch the episodes from the website outside of the United States :(
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just call it the american way of life.

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:(
 
The show is ok. Not terrible but not great either. Jericho leans more towards a daytime soap opera than something serious like The Day After.
 
I have watched all the episodes, I enjoy it, but have to take it with a grain of salt if you know what I mean.

The clishee's (sp?) are a bit much, and there not real good on the facts of nuclear explosions (there is a part of the ifrst or 2nd where a kid gets a call from his parents in Atlanta and then he hears the blast wave, in RL the phone would die from the EMP prior to the blast wave) and other things they just seem to be making it up as they go along.

Other than that, its good. Enough to give me sompthing asides 24 to watch. And I'm all for anything post apoc so just in general I give it a 7.3 :D
 
inon zur (same composer for fallout tactics) is making music for this movie

he is genius, i love his work, so we will get sth post-apocaliptic again from him
 
I kinda feel the same about the show.. It's enjoyable but in the first episode when the mayor is holding a big emo speech and everybody stops fighting and looting and the likes and regain their patriotic soul i feel a tickeling sensation in my belly warning me that its wrong.

NO WAREZ TALK!!!!! -Sander

Enjoy it but dont expect much.
 
Strike one. No goddamn warez talk!

Eh, I'm still enjoying Jericho for its treatment of survival and simply because I want to know the extent of the destruction. The soap-like feeling it has is pretty silly at times, but it can be a decent show.
 
Indeed, especially since things can only get worse from here on out. Even with the train full of food, it can only last so long. I felt kinda gipped, though, that the rain wasn't carrying anything radioactive. Yet if that's the case, then is the Fallout still in the atmosphere?
 
Bradylama said:
Indeed, especially since things can only get worse from here on out. Even with the train full of food, it can only last so long. I felt kinda gipped, though, that the rain wasn't carrying anything radioactive. Yet if that's the case, then is the Fallout still in the atmosphere?
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That, or the rain was carrying radioactive material but the rain seeped into the ground very quickly. It was also a few hours after the blast (if not longer) and radiation dissipates relatively quickly. Remember that supposedly that farmer was irradiated, as was the woman from NY.

Also remember that radiation is usually only deadly when it gets inside your body. The skin is a pretty good defense against most amounts of radiation.
 
Sander said:
That, or the rain was carrying radioactive material but the rain seeped into the ground very quickly. It was also a few hours after the blast (if not longer) and radiation dissipates relatively quickly.
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what? no.

the Nuclear War Survival Skills handbook states in most cases it would be relatively safe to exit the fallout shelters after 2 weeks. not a few hours. hell, fallout remains airborne for up to two days. which means a lot of it might enter your body simply by breathing. (rain would take a relative amount out of the air though, but it would deposit it on the soil which is still dangerous)

it is true that the radiation is reduced to a tenth of its original force in 7 hours, but that doesn't exactly mean it's safe.

i did some numbercrunching to simulate the situation described above and if the persons in Jericho remained unsheltered for 3 hours (after surfacing a few hours after the blast), about half of them would die within a few days. (using guestimates of course and also counting on the fact that the people are pretty dang far away from the blast to begin with)

Sander said:
Also remember that radiation is usually only deadly when it gets inside your body. The skin is a pretty good defense against most amounts of radiation.
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like breathing in fallout, Sander? :)

and skin as a pretty good defense? hardly... the radiation source does not need to be inside our body to be harmful.
the best defense are actually our legs. they keep our organs like 1 meter away from the radioactive material. (which is why parents are told to carry their children at all time while traveling through a radiated area: childs legs are shorter and hence their organs are closer to the radiation source)

this of course doesn't work if the radioactivity is still airborne.
 
SuAside said:
what? no.

the Nuclear War Survival Skills handbook states in most cases it would be relatively safe to exit the fallout shelters after 2 weeks. not a few hours. hell, fallout remains airborne for up to two days. which means a lot of it might enter your body simply by breathing. (rain would take a relative amount out of the air though, but it would deposit it on the soil which is still dangerous)

it is true that the radiation is reduced to a tenth of its original force in 7 hours, but that doesn't exactly mean it's safe.

i did some numbercrunching to simulate the situation described above and if the persons in Jericho remained unsheltered for 3 hours, about half of them would die within a few days. (using guestimates of course)
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I'd like to see your numbers. And I'd like to know why you think that guessing is a good way of telling what the situation is. :P
It also very much depends on the 'dirtiness' of the bomb and (obviously) the distance between them and Denver.
Sua said:
like breathing in fallout, Sander? :)
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Well, unlikely when it's raining.

Side said:
and skin as a pretty good defense? hardly... the radiation source does not need to be inside our body to be harmful.
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It does, actually. Otherwise it's usually, unless it's a very strong radiation source, damaging skin and surface tissue, which, while perhaps uncomfortable, isn't a huge problem. If the source is powerful enough, yes it will damage internal organs.

SuaSide said:
the best defense are actually our legs. they keep our organs like 1 meter away from the radioactive material. (which is why parents are told to carry their children at all time while traveling through a radiated area: childs legs are shorter and hence their organs are closer to the radiation source)

this of course doesn't work if the radioactivity is still airborne.
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Yep.

That all said, I was somewhat dissappointed in the effect radiation has had so far.
 
if we take that there is about 250R/hr one hour after the blast, we're looking at about 150R/hr when the Jericho people are out there. while this continues to decay, the people would receive about 300-350R over the three hours time i stated. this means half of them will probably die in a few days.

be that as it may, 250R/hr might be improper for their location, i dunno. however, 6R is the max 'safe' amount of radiation for a whole day in post nuclear circumstances.

as for the skin a being a good protection, i dont quite get where you're coming from. 9cm of earth only stops about half the radiation. how would the skin provide adequate protection?

(most my info comes off a guidebook, but i cant find an url for it. another book is http://www.ki4u.com/free_book/s73p904.htm but it's not as good)
 
What you dudes forgot to mention was the different radiation types, which surprises me, as you're both science! geeks.

Alpha particles could be stopped by your skin, or by clothing, athough it's generally a bad idea to run around naked in postnuclear environments.

Beta particles has stronger penetrating power, can be stopped by an aluminium-coated suit or special plastics, or by a thick leather garnment.

Gamma rays aren't particles, so they don't have a mass (at least, not enough of it to be stopped by stuff like plastic or clothing). Those things are stopped by large amounts of mass, the denser, the better, such as lead: The extra 2m of lead in your 8m concrete walls would do the trick. It goes through bricks, clothing, and your brain like a hot knife in butter.
 
and why would that be relevant, Wooz? :)

we were talking about radiation in general and effects after a nuke. in that scenario all three would be present (in varying amounts ofc).
 
Because staying unsheltered for three hours would melt your brain, maybe? No?
 
No it wouldn't. Gamma rays arent that abundant and they dont stay in the area. A good fallout shelter like an isolated basement or anything whould protect against most of the radiation IF YOU STAY THERE! The people in Jericho rushes out of the shelters is soon as the rain stops. Thats not good enough.

Concerning Gamma rays; The best shielding against thoose is distance (unless you got an actual vault). Jericho is supposed to be quite a distance from Denver (>200 kms i think). That should keep the people safe from the gamma contamination though the cancer-rate will probably be on the rise.

I am a little dissapointed by the radiation in that show as well. I kinda got the feeling its not the only thing i'll be dissapointed by when the show unfolds. But its keeping me entertained for now though.

This guidebook is the best i've found on the subject.

http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm

Oh and sorry for the warez hint. Wont happen again! I am though a little confused. May i ask why you try to hide the existence of filesharing? It's not like i was linking to anything. Just coughing in the right direction.
 
Hey guys, you can't even see the Rockies from Kansas. I don't think issues of scale factor into it.

I didn't earn a degree in nuclear-exploderology, but wouldn't the mountains have shielded Jericho from the Denver blast? The Gamma rays, I mean. If that's the case, though, Wichita or Kansas City is still a candidate for being glowing craters, and Kansas is basically flat as can be.
 
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