Weapons, yet again

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>So you're calling the BOS characters
>from Fallout 1 liars? If
>this is true, why do
>they all claim that they
>manufacture and distribute weapons and
>ammo? And what about people
>like the Gunrunners, who also
>manufacture and distribute weapons? And
>Smitty, who refills ammo?
I haven't played Fallout 1 in a long time and when I did I borrowed it from a friend. I do call the BOS liars because they said that they protected the info from before the war to chare it later when things cool down. And they don't have any factorys in any of their bases either.


>Of course. That explains why you
>can't get any decent weapons
>in the game. No, wait
>a second, that's not right.
>You CAN get good weapons
>- plenty of merchants have
>them. And if I recall
>correctly, in certain towns like
>New Reno EVERYONE was armed.
Ofcourse merchants have weapons, are you just playing dumb or what?! I was talking about the average citizen in FO2. The people living in New Reno have weapons because it's a dangerous place. But Steal from "A new reno townsperson" and they don't have weapons (maybe knives, but no firearms). The people in vault city or NCR don't have weapons. (Okey they have guards instead)
>
>>Uhh, if Europe had no guns
>>then they couldn't fight and
>>no-one would die, Smartass!
>
>Typically, people who can't fight back
>die.
That is true. But not always. You can prsotest for what you want.
>>Of course we "euroweenies" have
>>weapons. I have a friend who's
>>granddad has a SMG from
>>WWII in his wardrobe, and
>>my dad has two hunting
>>rifles.
>
>And if you take them outside,
>I bet you'll be arrested.
>If you try to defend
>yourself against an intruder in
>your home, you'll be charged
>with a crime, right?
Yep, it's a shitty country is it not?
>>There is a joke
>>about a part of Sweden
>>that goes: "Drive straight ahead
>>until you get stabbed in
>>the back, then you're in
>>Delsbo"
>
>Sounds like a nice place to
>visit.
Sure, It's great place. Just watch out for dark alleys...:)
>>And the worlds strongest
>>man AND woman come from
>>Sweden, Magnus Samuelsson and his
>>wife(I don't remember her name).
>
>How is this relevant?
Sigh. Someone said that europeans are pussys and I say We aren't.
>>The reason USA haven't heard
>>anything from Europe it's probably
>>because all cross-atlantic communications have
>>been shut of by the
>>EMP from all those f***ing
>>A-Bombs.
>
>Possibly.
>
>>You shouldn't be proud
>>that California has a lot
>>of weapons just think of
>>all the bad things they
>>have caused.
>
>Just think of all the bad
>things they'd stopped/prevented. Imagine if
>the rest of Europe shared
>the Swiss attitude toward weapons
>ownership around 1939.
>
>>The deathshootings at
>>the school( I don't remeber
>>where it happened)
>
>Yeah. Too bad the teachers weren't
>armed.
I wouldn't wantt to see my math teacher with a gun. He can get RELY mad sometimes. :)
>>Korea, Vietnam
>>etc... What the fuck was
>>USA doing in Vietnam? "Protect
>>the world from the evil
>>communists"
>
>That's a good question. We ought
>only protect ourselves from the
>communists.
Why would you like to protect yourself from something good?
>>I think amercan capitalism
>>is much worse than russian
>>or cuban or chinese communism.
>
>Care to elaborate?
Read previous posts.
To Xotor. Anarchy isn't lawlessnesor chaos. Anarchy means no goverment or written laws.You can still live in a peacefull society without laws but it would have to be relativly small. See the movie "Monty Python's search for the Holy Graal" where king Arthur discuss politics with Dennis, the Anarchist for info on how it could work. And about NATO didn't do anything of importance in Serbia: (No offence Miroslav) but i think that if USA, NATO or UN or any other world organsation should interfere at all it wpould be to send an assassin to kill Milosovic, and help after the war is over. I am against EU and the euro so don't blame me. I think that Sweden hould be controlled by swedes not some fat, capitalstic types in Belgium. I can't help it I just am very anti-capitalstic so don't complain about it or try to change me. When grow up I'm gonna get realy rich (not by exploiting poor people or countries) and by myself a small island somewhere (maybe britain), drive everyone of it and live like a hermit there for the rest of my life and program computer games with only a computer and 13 vicious dogs all named Dogmeat as company!
Peter "live free" Wrede
 
>So you're calling the BOS characters
>from Fallout 1 liars? If
>this is true, why do
>they all claim that they
>manufacture and distribute weapons and
>ammo? And what about people
>like the Gunrunners, who also
>manufacture and distribute weapons? And
>Smitty, who refills ammo?
I haven't played Fallout 1 in a long time and when I did I borrowed it from a friend. I do call the BOS liars because they said that they protected the info from before the war to chare it later when things cool down. And they don't have any factorys in any of their bases either.


>Of course. That explains why you
>can't get any decent weapons
>in the game. No, wait
>a second, that's not right.
>You CAN get good weapons
>- plenty of merchants have
>them. And if I recall
>correctly, in certain towns like
>New Reno EVERYONE was armed.
Ofcourse merchants have weapons, are you just playing dumb or what?! I was talking about the average citizen in FO2. The people living in New Reno have weapons because it's a dangerous place. But Steal from "A new reno townsperson" and they don't have weapons (maybe knives, but no firearms). The people in vault city or NCR don't have weapons. (Okey they have guards instead)
>
>>Uhh, if Europe had no guns
>>then they couldn't fight and
>>no-one would die, Smartass!
>
>Typically, people who can't fight back
>die.
That is true. But not always. You can prsotest for what you want.
>>Of course we "euroweenies" have
>>weapons. I have a friend who's
>>granddad has a SMG from
>>WWII in his wardrobe, and
>>my dad has two hunting
>>rifles.
>
>And if you take them outside,
>I bet you'll be arrested.
>If you try to defend
>yourself against an intruder in
>your home, you'll be charged
>with a crime, right?
Yep, it's a shitty country is it not?
>>There is a joke
>>about a part of Sweden
>>that goes: "Drive straight ahead
>>until you get stabbed in
>>the back, then you're in
>>Delsbo"
>
>Sounds like a nice place to
>visit.
Sure, It's great place. Just watch out for dark alleys...:)
>>And the worlds strongest
>>man AND woman come from
>>Sweden, Magnus Samuelsson and his
>>wife(I don't remember her name).
>
>How is this relevant?
Sigh. Someone said that europeans are pussys and I say We aren't.
>>The reason USA haven't heard
>>anything from Europe it's probably
>>because all cross-atlantic communications have
>>been shut of by the
>>EMP from all those f***ing
>>A-Bombs.
>
>Possibly.
>
>>You shouldn't be proud
>>that California has a lot
>>of weapons just think of
>>all the bad things they
>>have caused.
>
>Just think of all the bad
>things they'd stopped/prevented. Imagine if
>the rest of Europe shared
>the Swiss attitude toward weapons
>ownership around 1939.
>
>>The deathshootings at
>>the school( I don't remeber
>>where it happened)
>
>Yeah. Too bad the teachers weren't
>armed.
I wouldn't wantt to see my math teacher with a gun. He can get RELY mad sometimes. :)
>>Korea, Vietnam
>>etc... What the fuck was
>>USA doing in Vietnam? "Protect
>>the world from the evil
>>communists"
>
>That's a good question. We ought
>only protect ourselves from the
>communists.
Why would you like to protect yourself from something good?
>>I think amercan capitalism
>>is much worse than russian
>>or cuban or chinese communism.
>
>Care to elaborate?
Read previous posts.
To Xotor. Anarchy isn't lawlessnesor chaos. Anarchy means no goverment or written laws.You can still live in a peacefull society without laws but it would have to be relativly small. See the movie "Monty Python's search for the Holy Graal" where king Arthur discuss politics with Dennis, the Anarchist for info on how it could work. And about NATO didn't do anything of importance in Serbia: (No offence Miroslav) but i think that if USA, NATO or UN or any other world organsation should interfere at all it wpould be to send an assassin to kill Milosovic, and help after the war is over. I am against EU and the euro so don't blame me. I think that Sweden hould be controlled by swedes not some fat, capitalstic types in Belgium. I can't help it I just am very anti-capitalstic so don't complain about it or try to change me. When grow up I'm gonna get realy rich (not by exploiting poor people or countries) and by myself a small island somewhere (maybe britain), drive everyone of it and live like a hermit there for the rest of my life and program computer games with only a computer and 13 vicious dogs all named Dogmeat as company!
Peter "live free" Wrede
PS. Bonenose, not fucking PSI-powers! We don't want a Fantasy roleplaying game, we want a dark future RPG.
 
Yes, but they dont survive 160+ years in the desert witout maintance.
 
Next time you reply, would you mind putting spaces between your reply and the quotes? It makes it easier to read.

>>Of course. That explains why you
>>can't get any decent weapons
>>in the game. No, wait
>>a second, that's not right.
>>You CAN get good weapons
>>- plenty of merchants have
>>them. And if I recall
>>correctly, in certain towns like
>>New Reno EVERYONE was armed.

>Ofcourse merchants have weapons, are you
>just playing dumb or what?!
>I was talking about the
>average citizen in FO2. The
>people living in New Reno
>have weapons because it's a
>dangerous place. But Steal from
>"A new reno townsperson" and
>they don't have weapons (maybe
>knives, but no firearms). The
>people in vault city or
>NCR don't have weapons. (Okey
>they have guards instead)

Everyone is still armed. It is a fact of life that the world will be dangerous when the order is thrown down (exactly why anarchy sucks).

>>>Uhh, if Europe had no guns
>>>then they couldn't fight and
>>>no-one would die, Smartass!
>>
>>Typically, people who can't fight back
>>die.

>That is true. But not always.
>You can prsotest for what
>you want.

Uh huh, how do you protest a nuke? You can only protest if you are promised the right to protest. That requires an authority above your power to enfore that right, and to make sure you won't be killed by someone who disagrees with you. Yet another reason Anarchy does not work.

>>>And the worlds strongest
>>>man AND woman come from
>>>Sweden, Magnus Samuelsson and his
>>>wife(I don't remember her name).
>>
>>How is this relevant?
>Sigh. Someone said that europeans are
>pussys and I say We
>aren't.

But lets face it, all of Europe can't compare in power to the United States. Also, its not like Europe really gets involved with anything. They stay on the sidelines and watch the rest of the world go by.

>>>The deathshootings at
>>>the school( I don't remeber
>>>where it happened)
>>
>>Yeah. Too bad the teachers weren't
>>armed.

> I wouldn't wantt to see
>my math teacher with a
>gun. He can get RELY
>mad sometimes. :)

Arming teachers just in case a student decides to shoot up the school is stupidity incarnate, as is the notion that violent video games prompt students to kill others. The fact is that these incidents occur because people are deranged. Having guns in school controlled by teachers only encourages violence to happen, putting up the notice "we're ready, come and get it." And like Kilroy's teacher, who knows what a deranged teacher may do.


>>That's a good question. We ought
>>only protect ourselves from the
>>communists.

>Why would you like to protect
>yourself from something good?

This is where I stop calling you ignorant and call you stupid. Communism is not good. All you think when you see "communism" is some lingo word in response to how capitalism has harmed you (whatever that is). Communism is fascism under the excuse that you're working for the people. You have NO RIGHTS under communism. Again you've contradicted yourself, you want freedom and yet profess communism.

>>>I think amercan capitalism
>>>is much worse than russian
>>>or cuban or chinese communism.
>>
>>Care to elaborate?

>Read previous posts.

They speak for themselves.

>To Xotor. Anarchy isn't lawlessnesor chaos.
>Anarchy means no goverment or
>written laws.You can still live
>in a peacefull society without
>laws but it would have
>to be relativly small.

*Whacks Kilroy across the head* You can't live in a peaceful anarchistic society unless you have only one person in the society.

Why? Because humans ALWAYS form groups and government. There is ALWAYS someone who attains power at the expense of others. Someone with more skills, ideas, or charisma are chosen leaders by those people who seek guidance. Not all people are created equal, as is defined by genetics. There are people who are obviously more useful than others and those people will become rulers.

You're living in a malinformed pipedream. Communism doesn't work, anarchy doesn't work. Democracy and Republicism works only to a certain extent. Dictatorships work, but only proportional to the ruler's skills. Quit spitting out catch-words you think are cool and THINK.

>See
>the movie "Monty Python's search
>for the Holy Graal" where
>king Arthur discuss politics with
>Dennis, the Anarchist for info
>on how it could work.

Oh NOW you're quoting some reputable sources. Sheesh.

>And about NATO didn't do
>anything of importance in Serbia:
>(No offence Miroslav) but i
>think that if USA, NATO
>or UN or any other
>world organsation should interfere at
>all it wpould be to
>send an assassin to kill
>Milosovic, and help after the
>war is over.

You're not offending Miroslav, he doesn't take to Milosevic either.

However what kind of order will be instated once he is gone? Obviously crime-lords will take over which is what happens when a power is thrown down. You've got to instate a new order to replace the old. Another reason anarchy does not work.

>I am
>against EU and the euro
>so don't blame me.

It still shows that Europe can't compare.

>I
>think that Sweden hould be
>controlled by swedes not some
>fat, capitalstic types in Belgium.

Has capitalism REALLY wronged you or are you just uncontent because YOU'RE not in their seat? Really, you envy them. They were just smart enough to get rich.

>I can't help it I
>just am very anti-capitalstic so
>don't complain about it or
>try to change me.

No, I'll show you where you're wrong however. It is up to you to decide.

>When
>grow up I'm gonna get
>realy rich (not by exploiting
>poor people or countries) and
>by myself a small island
>somewhere (maybe britain), drive everyone
>of it and live like
>a hermit there for the
>rest of my life and
>program computer games with only
>a computer and 13 vicious
>dogs all named Dogmeat as
>company!

Sure you will. And what, you'll have robots making food for you? Sure...

>Peter "live free" Wrede

-Xotor-

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Nooooooooooo.

No Magic...even if it's explained through science.

Skie
 
Why did you take away the part where i said that anarchy is an utopia and the part about the african village where anacrhy works? I agreed that anarchy isn't going to work in real life, but people can still dream right? I don't profess communism, I say it's better than capitalism. Communism isn't what yo think it is. To put it simple: A communist want that the spoil of the worker should pay the worker. In other words: the worker pays himself.
A capitalist wants that the spoil of the worker should go to the owner of the factory so that there could be work. In other words: the owner of the factory gets all the money from the workers labour. Of those two things I think the first is the better. I must ask you a question: If it wheren't any laws against killing people would you go around killing people then? I hope the answer is no.I know what you are going to say something like: "yes, i wouldn't kill just because it's legal but others might". To that I say don't you think that the murder would be driven away from the town where they have killed or be punished some other way? About the part in the movie "Monty Python's search for the Holy Graal" I wonder if you ever has seen that movie. What Dennis say could infact work. Anarchy means that some politians in Washington DC won't control New Mexico or Colorado. South Park, Colorado is controled by South Park, Colorado and not by Washington DC. By officals voted by the citizens of South Park. And no I ouldn't have robots making the food for me. Unless you can provide such a robot. Unlike 90% of all americans (yes this is actual numbers) I have seen a cow in real life and I know how to produce food on my own (agriculture, hunting/gathering etc.). And if I have the money to bu myself an island somewhere I would have the money to pay some company to drop some food from airplanes once a week or so. Of course will the crates with the food have parachutes.
Peter Wrede.
 
RE: DON'T SPEAK SO SOON.

The fact that most westerners don't get is that the living costs are much much lower over there in China. The average wage there is £50 (roughly $75) per MONTH so, the companies aren't doing to much exploiting. However having said that, it sure as hell wouldn't hurt them to pay more. And by the way the communism in China sucks big time. Though it is sort of capitalisitc, practically everyone in power is corrupt and there is no political freedom.
 
RE: DON'T SPEAK SO SOON.

Let's leave the discussion at that, shall we? Or take it to email/the general board, I don't care.
 
Don't you see it?

Don't you get it? If ammo is so scarce you can't afford to shoot any weak opponent, or you'll be in serious mess when encountering deathclaws or supermutants.
 
That's what the .223 was in the first game. It was a one off that you could only get if you saved some guy's farm.

The power plant is maintained in F2 by the ghouls.
 
RE: Nooooooooooo.

I agree totally. No no no no no no no (no no no) to magic. No.
 
RE: Don't you see it?

Sorry, jumping in on a previous post again. About the europeans being sissies? It's bull. People are people. No matter what, the majority all seem to have the same strengths and weaknesses. Yes, the swiss do have a very powerful army, but the reason the isralies are based off of it, is because it's strength is in defense. C'mon now, the whole country is surounded by mountains. Fighting in the mountains is very difficult. I have no doubt in my mind that if Switzerland were attacked, they could repulse the invaders with relative ease, but if they initiated the attack on someone else, they'd be dead. And when that one guy said he couldn't remember the name of the school? It was Columbine High School. What happened there was a horrible, awful thing. And people like me had to live with the effects. Because I fit the profile of the 2 kids that did that, I was stopped and questioned in school, and in front of all my friends, by 2 F.B.I. agents, and an A.T.F. agent. That's discrimination in it's highest form. Being accused of planing an attack on the school just because you wear an army jacket to school? I'm sorry, but at the time I was a member of the delayed entry program for the Army, and I was proud. If having pride in who and what you are is a crime, then everyone should be arrested. This country isn't ruled by the government. It's ruled by MTV. "We're so cool, we tell you what cool is." And the owning of firearms is a constitutionly granted right. The 2nd ammendment was put into the constitution by it's framers as a check against a tyranical government. So if we decided to revolt and put a new government in place, we'd have the means to do it. I don't know, I'm just ranting now, so I'm gonna get going.
 
RE: WOW!!!!!

I don't hate you guys. It's just a lot of people in Europe hold on to stereotypes and the current view on a standard american would be an arrogant $#&%*#, but, I don't share that view, it's something the old people think (remember the ungrateful s.o.b.'s you liberated in WW2?, those old people), I guess your European friend has been spending a little to much time with his grandparents.
 
MAN THE GAME WOULD BE RUINED WITH NOT TO MANY GUNS!!! This is fallout man not david and the goliath
 
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