What do you think ?

[Kahgan]

Its not about how its translated, its about what that means, and his refusal to acknowledge that.

ahem, eh, actually he did acknowledge that..well, at least in some way:

I will say it in italian.....Berlusconi is the "Presidente del consiglio".
Maybe the best traslation is prime minister.

bah maybe you?re right and I should be so harsh. that was before I ate my launch and I felt a little grumpy.

what did you eat? rabbit? HRAMSTER?

 

[Sovz]

actually, I had pakistani.

 

[King of Creation]

Allright, who the hell deleted my post? I want a reason, a name and a fucking pm!

I did. Your post was nothing but a quote of the first post in the thread, and therefore useless.

 

[Snake]

Allright then something went wrong, I clearely remember writing after I quoted and then re reading it after posting.

Why would I just quote something? Pretty pointless.

 

[SuAside]

you wrote your reply within the quote brackets Snake...

being a small reply, it went unnoticed by KoC and he deleted your post.

learn to quote and please come again.

 

[Snake]

lol learn to quote like its really that hard. I made a mistake unintentionally my bad u prick.

To the rest, I apologyse.

 

[SuAside]

(i usually dont make one smiley or one work replies but this is just too much)

 

[Kahgan]

(i usually dont make one smiley or one work replies but this is just too much)

knock knock, you didn't make a one smiley or one work reply now either

by the way, what is a one work reply?

oh, you meant one worD reply..aah, I see

 

[Snake]

(i usually dont make one smiley or one work replies but this is just too much)

knock knock, you didn't make a one smiley or one work reply now either

by the way, what is a one work reply?

oh, you meant one worD reply..aah, I see

 

[Murdoch]

Anyways...

Some time ago I saw an american documentary about Berlusconi (italian President). I showed that to some frind of mine, they were amazed of what was going on in Italy under their eyes.
Preident Berlusconi is controlling amost all the press (public and private), indeed he owns 6 of the 7 national channels.
From the time he became president he made laws to escape the trials that were persecuting him from years.Infact during is career of buisnessman he broked the law several times he also had contacts with sicilian mafia and the old corrupted governament of Italy (if you don't in 80s italian president Bettino Craxi escaped from a trial and went to live in Tunisi where Italian law can't touch him)
Before he became president 3 journalists said how dangerous he was, well after 1 mounth the Berlusconi's victory they were fired.
I took this informations from that documentary, from press, and from books that just report the dialogues of the Berlusconi's trials so i'm sure that what i'm saying is true

I followed your discussions, and i'm impressed of your knowlange.
I wold like to hear your opinions

PS:sorry if my english is not perfect i'm trying to improve it

I find it disheartening, yet not altogether unfamiliar, that you can get the best coverage of your own government's actions from a foreign source.

And if you want our opinion si_propio (what does that mean anyway?) you should post your own first. Your post is large on full of facts, slim on opinions. How do you feel about it? Some of us here are not trolling asshats, and will engage in your conversation, but we need something to go on.

And don't delude yourself into thinking that your country is the only one with corrupt politicians. We've got a White House full of em here...

 

[Briosafreak]

Some time ago I saw an american documentary about Berlusconi (italian President). I showed that to some frind of mine, they were amazed of what was going on in Italy under their eyes.
Preident Berlusconi is controlling amost all the press (public and private), indeed he owns 6 of the 7 national channels.
From the time he became president he made laws to escape the trials that were persecuting him from years.Infact during is career of buisnessman he broked the law several times he also had contacts with sicilian mafia and the old corrupted governament of Italy (if you don't in 80s italian president Bettino Craxi escaped from a trial and went to live in Tunisi where Italian law can't touch him)
Before he became president 3 journalists said how dangerous he was, well after 1 mounth the Berlusconi's victory they were fired.
I took this informations from that documentary, from press, and from books that just report the dialogues of the Berlusconi's trials so i'm sure that what i'm saying is true

I followed your discussions, and i'm impressed of your knowlange.
I wold like to hear your opinions

PS:sorry if my english is not perfect i'm trying to improve it

I remember Craxi very well, and after that problem and seeing Andreotti in jail i thought you were finally having a more mature democracy. Then Berlusconi came, the champion of the modernization (wich to be fair did meant to move away from the 70s left generation) and riding the conservative wave of the 90s, that occurred in Europe as a reaction against the Third Way politics, and in america... ok i don`t know what hapened in US, even the boring Gore had the most votes, and still lost...crazy...

Anyhow there are five main newsagencies in the world, wich shows how controled information is these days, but nothing prepared me to the way the President of the Counsell operated, it´s almost insane, how does he gets away with it it`s rather misterious, even for young democracies like mine.

I hope things get better and the end of the almost monopoly in the Italian TV ends when he quits (he has too, someday...). Although many countries followed closely the Italian lessons as a bad example, with the Ndrangheta the Cosa Nostra and many others, the top level corruption, terrorism and so on, Italy also has a tradition of vibrant debate in the civil society, of great thinkers and of combat against totalitarism, so i wish them all the best.

La Piovra is still one series that all politicians should watch at least once a week... by the way i`ll have to buy the second series dvd box soon, it will be out this week.

 

[quietfanatic]

He is very much like a corrupt Ruppert Murdoch who also happens to be prime minister. Not a good combination at all. Not that I care, but I hear that one of his initiatives was to establish porn on free-to-air television. Bread and circuses again is it?

 

[Makdaam]

It's not the first nor the last government that's corrupted almost all countries had such problems many haven't even tried to fix this. Just hope that they won't interfere with voting and go off the stage when their time is up.

P.S.

And doing the politics the 'Polish way' means disappearing from time to time.

Sorry for being a bit OT, but can anyone explain why disappearing?
All of them are unfortunately here, stealing public property :\ I wish they dissappeared, but they don't want to.

 

[Jebus]

And doing the politics the 'Polish way' means disappearing from time to time.

Sorry for being a bit OT, but can anyone explain why disappearing?
All of them are unfortunately here, stealing public property :\ I wish they dissappeared, but they don't want to.

It's not the politicians that disappear from time to time, but Poland...