Who's the Master?

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RE: The door was left open by the BOS

The BOS were there before the war, then they left and went to the bunker the live in during Fallout 1.
 
RE: The door was left open by the BOS

The BOS send a scout unit to West Tek (Glow), because at the Exodus from Mariposa (Military Base) some youngsters split from the rest and go to West Tek to search weapons etc.

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Ugh.. Who the Master really is..

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>Most people think Richard Grey, hell
>I even wrote a Fic
>(Part 4 still in progress)about
>him. While doing this investigation
>into the Master I realized
>something... disturbing.

Richard Grey was the start of the Master. There's more to the Master than just Richard Grey, since he absorbed people and added them to his original persona.

In short, the Master is an amagomation of multiple people, starting with Grey.

>What if the Master wasn't really
>the Master?
>
>Yes you read that correctly. The
>Master would have to make
>the Mutants right?

No, the FEV does a nice job of this without anyone guiding it.

> Well the
>whole reason Harold and Grey
>lead the expodition into the
>Military Outpost was because "it
>was like shopping in Mutantville"
>as Harold so elegantly put
>it.

Mutant ANIMALS, not people. As Richard Grey said in his log:

I think I consumed one of the mutated things scurrying around here today.

And before you use that whole, "Richard Grey was a scientist, .., I doubt he'd risk the lives of his friends for mutant rats" line of crap again, you need to know what the FEV does to animals.

2077. FEV nears completion. Test on lab animals are at 100% success rate. Size and muscle density increase approximately 60%, and the potential intelligence increase by 200%. Effects upon human subjects remain unknown; although they are theoretically promising. The military, wishing to continue further testing, builds a large facility at the Mariposa military installation in central California. At this new facility, testing of the FEV virus continues on volunteer subjects from the military.

I'd say a scientist, like Richard Grey, would be more than a little curious about finding rats the size of small dogs which were abnormally intelligent, wouldn't you?

As far as the risk goes, I seriously doubt he knew the risk when going in.

Robots are what attacked Grey's party, not supermutants, according to his log:

Francine is dead, killed by one of those robots.

I was able to hack the computer to turn off the robots and record this, but now my mind in slipping away.

> Mutants were raiding caravans
>BEFORE Richard Grey was even
>transformed!!!

Also, incorrect. Richard Grey and Harold's vault was one of the first vaults to open. I'm pretty sure that it opened 15 years after the Great War, which is 65 years before Fallout takes place and the mutants are attacking caravans.

>So if there were that
>many mutants BEFORE the Master,
>who was making them?

Considering Mariposa was abandoned several years following the Great War, with no one to guard it, it would have been easy for animals to get in there through cracks in the walls, vents, and other things.

>I think there is something BIS
>isn't telling us...yet.

They've told us.
 
Here are my thoughts. Two possible story lines poped into my head while playing a while back, so here we go.

1)The master was an overseer or somthing (due to his nifty highchair) who went mad and decided to expose his entire vault to FEV, perhaps he went mad or got exposed himslef, or got radiated and started to mutate... either way wahtever happened, all the vaults were *supposed* to have big robots guarding them, so the mad guy would have no problem forcing all the purestrains from his vault into the FEV - This theory is OK, it does not include Richard Grey but when Harrold said "mutants" i envisioned supermutants at first, this would back that up.

2)Theose nasty creatures that follow the nightkins around (the ones with wobbly tentacles and 2 heads, and the floaters) could have been the "mutants" Harrold was on about, and only after Richard Grey was mutated by the FEV did he become that ugly mess we love to call The Master, and start doing controlled "dips" on humans. I also feel that the security systems at the military base (all the annoying lazer force fields) were probably put in place after the war, after The Master started making a sizable army of mutants to do his DIY work for him (i dont think he gets around much on his.. uhh... legs?).

My last thought is that although its concievable that desert animals could fall into the vats, it is stupid to think that lots of humans could just "accidentally" fall into them, that is just so far fetched that it is totally unbelivable.
 
I had this thought while I was reading. Certinly scientists with complete access to high-tech robots wouldn't work around a dangerous materal like FEV personally. They would program the robots to do the physical experiments for them.

It wouldn't be far fetched to imagine that robots in certain areas would be programmed to take the experiment subject (either animal or human) and expose them to the FEV virus.

Perhaps the security robots would even be programmed to incapacitate any person who wasn't authorized to be in the base, and return them to an experiment zone. (the robots programmed to keep the subject where they are supposed to be.) Then the research robots would dip the prisoner, as was that was the last experiment that was running when the base was abondoned.

just an idea...
 
Ok, although i don't have the best of memory in one of the older posts around here we were disscusing something about 2 versions of the FEV. One that The Master of Richard Grey made (I forget which state he was in). Perhaps they mean he was the first t obe dipped in this stuff which the mutants would obviously consider better than the first version. Allow me to just go and explore for some evidence...


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I just realized something; they were testing FEV on people before the war and we forgot about it.

Damn True Raven, I think you might be right.
 
Let me rephrase it...

The military was testing FEV on volunteers at the Mariposa Military Base, otherwise known as the Military Base.
Maxons logs at the Military Base only tell what happened to the scientists and soldiers.
So, what happened to the volunteers?
 
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There is so much about the universe we don't know. Fallout may not be an exact science but I think there are far more cospiaricies than we give the games credit for.

True Raven
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Those test subjects may have been retained on the base for studies on the long-range effects of exposure to the FEV These subjects may have escaped (or be let out by the BOS) and raided caravans neat the base
 
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>Here are my thoughts. Two possible story lines poped into my >head while playing a while back, so here we go.
>1)The master was an overseer or somthing (due to his nifty >highchair) who went mad and decided to expose his entire vault >to FEV, perhaps he went mad or got exposed himslef, or got >radiated and started to mutate... either way wahtever >happened, all the vaults were *supposed* to have big robots >guarding them, so the mad guy would have no problem forcing >all the purestrains from his vault into the FEV - This theory >is OK, it does not include Richard Grey but when Harrold >said "mutants" i envisioned supermutants at first, this would >back that up.

I think you're spot on with guessing he was a former Overseer. Consider that The Master's lair is obviously a vault, and that he "sits" upon an overseer's chair. Why he did what he did is absent from me. Perhaps everyone was accidentaly exposed to FEV, which may explain all that disgusting biomass strewn about The Master's vault. Has anyone considered that it might have been another experiment done by the American government with the Vaults? Perhaps what made The Master into what he is is some other chemical or virus which mutated him, so then somehow he finds the secret out about the government and decides to exercize his revenge on the people of the wastes. We all know that Overseers develop power trips, perhaps The Master was one of them and developed some crazy plan to take over the world?
 
>>>I don't think Harold ever uses the words big, green, or ugly. Greys log in the military base even said he consumed a mutated rodent, so I doubt that mutant people were the mutants they went to look for.<<
>
>Grey was a brilliant Scientist, phillosopher,
>and phillanthrpist... do you honestly
>believe someone that intelligent would
>storm a Military Base at
>the risk of losing his
>life and those of his
>friends over a bunch of
>mutant rats?
>
>Just sounds fishy to me... and
>like a bait and hook
>for a storyline in Fallout
>3.
>
>True Raven


HOLY SHIT now that i think of it that is the perfect story for FO3. but they why didn't the "master" keep making his mutants? think there was probly more places then the base that had vats of FEV.
 
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