Your thoughts regarding TOEE?

rcorporon said:
Got this today in the mail, and can't even get the damned thing to run.

Anybody else have trouble running it?

EDIT: After troubleshooting this game for a few hours, and still unable to get it to run at all, I must say that it's no small wonder that Troika went under actually releasing products as problematic as ToEE. Shame really, as I was quite looking forward to playing this.
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Skynet is right, Circle of Eight is the website for you. They're very helpful when it comes to tech advice.

The vanilla game really is in bad shape. I'd go so far as to recommend installing the Co8 bugfix and modpack before you even do the first playthrough. They just released a new beta a few days ago, so you should go with that.

Also, ToEE is a slow starter. It just is. It seemed like it took hours for me to roll up some characters and start playing, and then the story started slow too.

Once you get rolling it gets much better though, so don't give up.
 
UniversalWolf said:
Skynet is right, Circle of Eight is the website for you. They're very helpful when it comes to tech advice.

The vanilla game really is in bad shape. I'd go so far as to recommend installing the Co8 bugfix and modpack before you even do the first playthrough. They just released a new beta a few days ago, so you should go with that.

Also, ToEE is a slow starter. It just is. It seemed like it took hours for me to roll up some characters and start playing, and then the story started slow too.

Once you get rolling it gets much better though, so don't give up.
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Even using their modpack and front end launcher, I can't get the game to run.

I get the Atari / Troika and Wizards splash screens, then it drops to the desktop.

I've played and DM'd the ToEE campaign, so I was stoked to play this....

I've posted a message at the Co8 forum to try to get some further help, but nobody has responded yet.
 
rcorporon said:
Even using their modpack and front end launcher, I can't get the game to run.

I get the Atari / Troika and Wizards splash screens, then it drops to the desktop.

I've played and DM'd the ToEE campaign, so I was stoked to play this....

I've posted a message at the Co8 forum to try to get some further help, but nobody has responded yet.
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Hmm...sorry you're having so much trouble. I don't know how much help I can be, since I haven't tried the new mod yet and my overall experience has been relatively problem-free.

Make sure you install the first Atari patch before you install the second Atari patch, even though it's supposed to be redundant, and don't install the third Atari patch at all (in short, follow the Co8 instructions to the letter).

The only other suggestion I have is to search the Co8 forum for posts by people who've had the same problem you're having. I know I've seen people saying they couldn't get it to run, but I never paid much attention.
 
UniversalWolf said:
There are games where you can massacre villages (Fallout being one), but I haven't seen any games that really develop the theme. It would be interesting to walk into a town with your gang and demand all their money and women in exchange for not slaughtering everyone.
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There's Overlord - an arcade aRPG/strategy about raping and pillagind and burning! Gets boring quickly, gotta tell you.

You can rape and pillage in TOEE, but not many parties will have the balls to - too weak.

BTW, for anyone who did like TOEE and the work done by Co8, here is another link to check out: http://www.co8.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6839
A word of advice though: be warned, KoTB is even more ass-raping than TOEE, and even more hardcore D&D.
 
It's a TC project on the TOEE engine, yes, based on an old D&D module. It changes a lot of mechanics (like no looting of containers in people's rooms, laws inside the keep, restrictions on weapons in the city etc) and adds many new skills (climbing, rope use) - pretty much stretches the potential of the engine to the max. You basically install it as a patch on top of TOEE but it runs as a separate model.

Some of the textres are very low-res, and pathfinding is not very good in some places, but they seem to have weeded out most bugs. I haven't played much of it (cuz it totally kicked mah @$$ and I haven't had time to try it again), but it's a must-have for any TOEE fan.
 
Ausdoerrt said:
There's Overlord - an arcade aRPG/strategy about raping and pillagind and burning! Gets boring quickly, gotta tell you.
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what? your 'evil' deeds are usually killing some stupid & corrupt hero that mistreats his people?

i had the feeling i was a fucking hero playing that game, killing so many evil characters... i gave up after the third hero.

i wanted to be EVIL in that game... you could barely hurt a fucking peasant!
 
SimpleMinded said:
Ausdoerrt, is that a total conversion using the TOEE engine? I couldn't find much about what that game was in the post there.
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Actually, here you go, a FAQ: http://www.co8.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5771


SuAside, that's part of the reason it gets boring. The game had potential though. But hey think of it this way - not all evil is destined to be truly... erm... evil. Well, I'm j/k of course =P
 
being evil for the sake of being evil is something i will never understand. that sucks and it's boring, i can never keep it up. but i didn't want to be truly evil for the sake of being truly evil.

i wanted to be free to do my will, however twisted and shortsighted. abuse, exploit, slaughter at my heart's content.

none of that in that game, regardless of how it was marketed...
 
SuAside said:
being evil for the sake of being evil is something i will never understand. that sucks and it's boring, i can never keep it up. but i didn't want to be truly evil for the sake of being truly evil.

i wanted to be free to do my will, however twisted and shortsighted. abuse, exploit, slaughter at my heart's content.
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You are just not a good CRPG consumer. You're supposed to be satisfied with a good path and an evil path, both existing for the ease of the game's designers.
 
SuAside said:
being evil for the sake of being evil is something i will never understand. that sucks and it's boring, i can never keep it up. but i didn't want to be truly evil for the sake of being truly evil.

i wanted to be free to do my will, however twisted and shortsighted. abuse, exploit, slaughter at my heart's content.

none of that in that game, regardless of how it was marketed...
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Yeah I feel the same way too, I just can't seem to force myself to play evil when I can be good. It just feels...wrong. I may not be a good RPG player, but hell.
 
Ravager69 said:
SuAside said:
being evil for the sake of being evil is something i will never understand. that sucks and it's boring, i can never keep it up. but i didn't want to be truly evil for the sake of being truly evil.

i wanted to be free to do my will, however twisted and shortsighted. abuse, exploit, slaughter at my heart's content.

none of that in that game, regardless of how it was marketed...
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Yeah I feel the same way too, I just can't seem to force myself to play evil when I can be good. It just feels...wrong. I may not be a good RPG player, but hell.
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I have a hard time being truly evil as well, as in killing innocent people just for fun. but I love playing a selfish bastard who takes what he wants. and even better, my absolute favorite: a no nonsense hero who doesn't take shit from no one and does what he needs to set things straight, even if it means stealing and lying.
 
At any rate, I've installed the CO8 mod and gonna check it out.

Unfortunatly, I had to....obtain....an english version of the game, because my polish edition had some trouble with getting the mod to work.
 
I thought they had translation packs... Maybe that was for German. Well, in any case, original localizations for the game sucked balls anyway. And there's no reason to play it without Co8 - I'd give the game an 8.3 vanilla, but 9.8 Co8 patched. The modpack is almost priceless.

BTW, if it's your very first time playing the game, I'd suggest you try a runthrough of the vanilla version, but with the Co8 fixes installed (+fixes -extra content), to really appreciate all the improvement brought in by the Co8.
 
Just for the sake of discussion, I think one of the reasons I like ToEE so much is the way my first playthrough went down.

I chose to be a good party but make my own justice, which meant I would typically mercilessly slaughter any evil dudes I ran across. I eventually bluffed my way into being escorted into the temple blindfolded, and once inside I began "Operation Purification."

This meant that I was stuck in the temple surrounded by enemies and didn't know the way out. With no way to get back to town to heal and replenish my resources, I had to sneak around for several hours without knowing what might be around the next corner. It was very intense and fun - the kind of thing you can only do in your first playthrough of a CRPG.
 
Yeah... CG is really the way to go for TOEE... At least, for vanilla.

I'd say the first time I played through TOEE Co8 version, I started loving the game even more. With updated spells, and mages/clerics casting them before battle, fights get waaay more interesting =)
 
I thought I'd put in another plug for ToEE since I installed it again a few days ago. After playing Torment I wanted to cleanse my palette of the IE combat system, and I must say ToEE combat is refreshing.

This is the second time I've installed ToEE with the latest Circle of Eight fixes and mods, and it's running very smooth with very few bugs.

http://www.co8.org/forum/
 
Exactly . It would be nice if one could role-play a real raider or bandit and terrorize towns/villages into submission instead just slaughtering everyone. Rape, robbery, "protection" for money/services would be much more interesting than coming to town and just killing everyone.
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You get that option in a mod that may be integrated into the final Co8 release. Given that it involves fighting all of the Hommlet good guys, you don't get to start that until pretty late in the game.

Among already existing things, they also give you an option to save Lareth and use his tower as your hideout and him as a healer/trader in case other villages are hostile.

Seriously though, I'm not sure how one could expect to take care of a High Cleric of St. Cuthbert with a party of lvl-1 weaklings.

Also, the best evil ending is where you [spoiler:1f52e88a95]submit Zuggtmoy (the green evil thing from the intro, the big bad) to your will and rule the world using her power.[/spoiler:1f52e88a95]
 
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