A Fallout Game Set in Europe

Discussion in 'Future Fallout Game Discussion' started by WeissYohji, Nov 10, 2018.

  1. WeissYohji

    WeissYohji First time out of the vault

    Nov 8, 2018
    Obviously, the world doesn't stop at the United States, or what's left of it 200+ years after the bombs fell.

    What would a Fallout game set in Europe be like? How would Europe have fared following the Resource Wars and Great War?

    I think the closest we'd have to a functioning nation-state would be Switzerland. They're neutral as all hell and hard to invade. They're PREPARED, what with all the mountainsides they have to dig into. There's no reason why the Swiss wouldn't have created their own vaults like the Pre-War U.S. did with Vault-Tec. You'd probably have one nation of vaults, ultimately being the NCR with French, German, Italian, and Romansh spoken instead of English.

    I could see Italy fragmented into small states similar to how it was between when the Eastern Roman "Byzantine" Empire pulled out and when the House of Savoy united the peninsula in the 1860s. We'd probably have an AUTHENTIC version of Caesar's Legion with aqueducts and everything.

    Scandinavia might still have its social democracies, but any raiders would be reminiscent of REAL Vikings (Read: NO HORNS!). We could probably count on the Nordic countries to fare relatively well, too, given their latitude.

    France, the UK, Ireland, Spain, Catalonia, Portugal, etc. might all be balkanized, too. Germany might degenerate back to hundreds of tiny states with a common culture and language. Greece and Turkey could regress back to city-states and tribes in another Dark Age, but with pockets of civilization in and around Athens, Sparta, Istanbul, Ankara, Batman (yes, there really is a city in Turkey named that), etc. Russia could also fare well, too, given its size. Only one country has ever conquered in in our timeline: Mongolia.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Sublime

    Sublime First time out of the vault

    Jun 5, 2018
    Uh given the established lore I'd say that as much as it fascinates me, the exploration of post apocalyptic Europe just wouldn't work. However something like that old spin off game set in Northern Italy during the European Commonwealth's infightings could be interesting, at least in theory.
     
  3. 00:49

    00:49 First time out of the vault

    Oct 10, 2012
    For the record, I agree with Sublime. But to answer the question...

    Europe was fractured in the Resource Wars when the EU (or Fallout's version of it) dissolved, so I think most countries would be divided. Also, there's a lot of different nations with different languages there, and bad blood between some that goes centuries back, so I think you can pretty much forget all the borders.

    Also, after the War, UK still does not consider itself a part of Europe. That's the headcanon I'm sticking with.
     
  4. Squadcar

    Squadcar Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jun 1, 2018
    If I remember correctly isn't it commonly accepted that Europe in general got fucked pretty bad before and during the Great War? Like to the point that it's more of a hellscape than the US? If we had to have games in other countries I'd rather see Mexico/parts of Central America or Canada. I still vote Mexico/Central America since even if most people there were wiped by nukes people from the US can migrate there more easily.
     
  5. WeissYohji

    WeissYohji First time out of the vault

    Nov 8, 2018
    Even if the Resource Wars had fucked up Europe, I could still see Switzerland at least faring relatively well compared to the rest of the "continent". Again, we have to consider geography. Switzerland is a mountainous country and they're CRAZY prepared in case of an invasion, despite being officially neutral since 1815. Surely they might have their own version of Vault-Tec to build vaults in the mountainsides.

    But why stop there? Why not take a look at the rest of the Eurasian continent? How would the Asian part of the continent have fared? Might we have an authentic version of the Great Khans? Perhaps attempts to recreate Imperial China? What of the Indian subcontinent? Southeast Asia? Think of the possibilities!
     
  6. Sublime

    Sublime First time out of the vault

    Jun 5, 2018
    Honestly except for China Asia seems pretty boring. Especially when you take in account Tha the main games already has things like the Caesar Legion or the Great Khans. European factions would be more of the same, just a bit more on the historical side I suppose
     
  7. Risewild

    Risewild Half-way Through My Half-life
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    I think the EU was a mess, but some places were not that bad. After all, Germany has superior and more advanced energy weapons than the USA when the bombs fell. So Germany was probably invested in research and scientific advancements (even if it was just military ones).
    I assume some countries would have fought between each other but I don't think they would have been destroyed.
    For example, most countries do not have oil or other fossil fuels, so they wouldn't be targeted with war. I think the EU fell because countries just couldn't agree on how to share the remaining resources and some went to war with those who still had resources. But since most countries would be too weak to wage wars, I think only rich ones could afford that.

    I assume the Soviet Union was one of the few countries that still had some oil, because SU does have oil sources in it's territory. And I can't see how many countries could even think of wage war with the SU for oil. Specially after they seem to have reverted to "us and only us" mentality.
     
  8. WeissYohji

    WeissYohji First time out of the vault

    Nov 8, 2018
    The Soviets definitely had oil and natural gas.

    And good luck trying to take over, unless you are the Mongols. The USSR was fucking HUGE. Even the current Russian Federation is gigantic. They're the only country that borders both Norway and North Korea. The Soviets could lose a few towns and cities, maybe a whole oblast or republic, and it wouldn't matter. They could just surround and liberate it. There's also their weather. Napoleon and Hitler both failed to take over Russia because they invaded IN WINTER. What chance would anyone else have?
     
  9. NMLevesque

    NMLevesque Commie Ghost

    Jul 2, 2016
  10. NMLevesque

    NMLevesque Commie Ghost

    Jul 2, 2016
    France is all kinds of nuclear for what it's worth.
     
  11. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    Jun 30, 2018
    I can probably imagine Europe being stuck emulating their ancient pasts in the style of the Legion. They had already drained their resources long before America and had none of the flashy, luxurious weapons and technology either. Most likely you'd just be seeing the Dark Ages 2: Electric Boogaloo.

    Though considering that half, if not most of the main titles have immigrants from Britain and Ireland, I don't imagine anyone even wants to bother living there anymore. Especially when everyone else probably has even worse sounding accents than they do.
     
  12. Risewild

    Risewild Half-way Through My Half-life
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Europe had more advanced weaponry than the USA. So I'm not sure what you mean by "had none of the flashy, luxurious weapons and technology either".
    The most advanced weaponry in the classic games came from Germany:

    The Plasma Pistol in the classics was made by the Austrian Gaston Glock (which managed to turn himself into an advanced artificial intelligence being, so they could even transfer people's conscience into machines, instead of having to use real brains like in Old World Blues):
    Other European Weaponry in classic games:
    There is soviet weaponry in classic Fallout games too:
    There is also the 14mm Pistol, that is also European (although I have no idea which country it came from):
    Even the Flamer might be a French weapon, because it's actual name is Flambe (flaming/flamed in french):
    The XL70E3 is British:
    The FN FAL is Belgium:
    And there is also the Mauser pistol.

    Even the ammo for the most powerful non-energy weaponry is only used by European weapons:
    • 2mm EC - Gauss Rifle and Gauss Pistol
    • 4.7mm Caseless - H&K G11, H&K G11E and Vindicator Minigun
    • 14mm - Sig-Sauer

    It's quite obvious that in the classic Fallout lore, Europe was quite ahead of the USA in terms of weaponry. Which makes sense.
    First, they actually were at war with the Middle East before the bombs fell. Second, since they would have run short of resources before the USA, they would have started to look into alternative and more efficient energy sources and weaponry.

    Also, the Soviet Union would still have resources. Russia was in general good terms with the USA, which I don't think would have happened if the USA had the remaining oil deposits.
     
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  13. naossano

    naossano Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 19, 2006
    I think the Fonline server Desert Europe is set there.
     
  14. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    Jun 30, 2018
    Well shit, fuck my ill-informed ass I guess. You learn something new everyday.