Army sends D&D playing soldiers to the shrinks...

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Starseeker, Mar 11, 2005.

  1. Starseeker

    Starseeker Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 25, 2003
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles//0,7340,L-3052074,00.html

    A little quote :

    Read the rest in the link.

    thoughts? :?

    D&D is actually fairly tactical in terms of play, so wouldn't that be good for the soldiers?
     
  2. Sol Invictus

    Sol Invictus First time out of the vault

    Jun 15, 2004
    It's just a case of stupidity by IDF higher ups. If they knew the kind of gaming activities that went on in the US Military/Navy/AF or in any other reputable military organization they wouldn't be so quick to judge D&D players unworthy of higher clearance.

    It just sounds like some psychologist's knee-jerk reaction to gaming. Who wants to bet he's writing a book on how fantasy reading makes you stupid?
     
  3. The Vault Dweller

    The Vault Dweller always looking for water.

    Aug 24, 2004
    Pfft! Like having an active imagination is a valid way to prove your detached from reality. As long as they keep up their delusions during their free time its no worse than alcohol. Besides I dont mean to sound like I understand the necessities of a military life, but wouldnt the use of tactics in the game be beneficial?

    Sincerely,
    The Vault Dweller
     
  4. Ekarderif

    Ekarderif It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jan 6, 2005
    Obviously the military believes that tactics is useless.
     
  5. El Chupacabra

    El Chupacabra It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jun 15, 2004
  6. Bradylama

    Bradylama Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 22, 2003
    God I hope there's another season of that show.
     
  7. Roshambo

    Roshambo Antediluvian as Feck

    Apr 3, 2003
    Simply put, they don't want soldiers to have an imagination. They really don't want to have anyone who shows imagination or creativity, unless they are already proven to not be a security risk.

    It is perfectly fine to be a drunken jarhead that does nothing but watch sports and go out to bars; but when it comes to intellectual pursuits, that realy threatens the military because it might mean problems in boot camp or training - or so according to some drill sgts. and the polished grunt generals.

    The is the same reason why they don't like taking people with familiarity with psychology; they can disect the training routine and easily follow in line, able to later shirk the training they were put through that usually builds certain response reflexes in the more simple.
     
  8. Ekarderif

    Ekarderif It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jan 6, 2005
    What about officers? You don't want them to make educated decisions either? I can see educated "grunts" as threats, kinda, but you don't want intelligent officers either?
     
  9. Wooz

    Wooz Vault Sweeper Admin Orderite

    May 18, 2003
    The article is about recruits, not about officer school graduates.
     
  10. Briosafreak

    Briosafreak Lived Through the Heat Death

    Dec 18, 2003
    There`s another irony here since D&D was, like many tabletop games and tactical simulations, based in mechanics and protocols that came from military tabletop wargames.
     
  11. Roshambo

    Roshambo Antediluvian as Feck

    Apr 3, 2003
    No personal offense to anyone, but the average Amy officer would lose a wits match with a brick. Those who are intelligent and join often have the brains to hide the fact that they are smarter than the average grunt.

    There is also a difference between "educated/intelligent" and "imaginative". So when do you plan on enrolling into West Point?

    Gunny Christenson, God bless his soul for the good Catholic soldier that he was, had the military's belief about fantasy material. A damn fine Korean War vet, who also had a taste for tabletop strategy games, and we would play with a few of the other vets at the vet's center. He noticed that I had a bit of Warhammer and D&D in my army fig collections, and snorted as he looked them over.

    He had that attitude, until I pointed out to him that when you play the war tabletops, you're using a historic set of strategies that are limited to that scope. "Limited? I will show you how limited it is!" I then explained that tanks don't breath fire, fly, and cause some other weird shit to happen, and you have to take all of that into account as well in your strategies.

    Click. Naturally, I had to show him the Blood Angels. :D
     
  12. Ekarderif

    Ekarderif It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jan 6, 2005
    I never claimed that the army officers were smart. I'd think that they'd want smarter ones though... More imaginative... whatever. Then again, there's probably a reason that we shoot civilians on sight so never mind.
     
  13. Roshambo

    Roshambo Antediluvian as Feck

    Apr 3, 2003
    intelligent!=imaginative

    Timothy McVeigh was certainly quite imaginative. Stupid, but imaginative, including violating Geneva's by using .50 cal tank mounts against personnel for amusement. Imagination without intelligence or proven security starus is something the military would rather do without for obvious reasons. Too bad the current administration has skewed things a bit badly.
     
  14. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2004
    I love all about war strategy, war history, weapons; I even love war movies and videogames. But would I willingly go to war? Hell, no! I know enough about war to stay away of it and to know is not a pleasant thing unless you are crazy.

    The only time I would take a weapon to use it against someone else would be to defend myself or my country (particularly my city) from a direct foreign attack in case the defense forces of my country are not able to stop the attack. And even then I would know when to fight and when to run.

    That is why I did not joined the army, let someone else more capable and with more time do the work, I just hope there is still peace in my county as well as we don't get involved in wars that are not ours, so I can dedicate my life to more important things than killing people.

    About intelligence and education, It is like a knife, you can use it for coocking or for killing.
     
  15. Sol Invictus

    Sol Invictus First time out of the vault

    Jun 15, 2004
    Education without intelligence is like giving a gun to an ape. Shit waiting to happen.
     
  16. Jebus

    Jebus Background Radiant
    Orderite

    Jan 29, 2004

    Stop insulting Elissar, you damn racist!
     
  17. Starseeker

    Starseeker Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 25, 2003

    LOL

    Brilliant.

    And HEAT(or any other tracing/following missles)can't be compared to Magic Missles. :P

    And little Timmy would have had some fun if he failed his shooting roll critically. :D
     
  18. Suicide Candidate

    Suicide Candidate It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Sep 15, 2004
    D&D is of teh devil worship wicked detached peoples shooting of the guins in shcoolhouse
    You do D&D and die of bad brain and cause other pain.

    or something.
     
  19. Bradylama

    Bradylama Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 22, 2003
    I've never known many D&D players to be particularly intelligent.
     
  20. Ekarderif

    Ekarderif It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jan 6, 2005
    Or imaginative. Most D&D players tend to be munchkins :?.