Escapist Magazine calls Bethesda killers of Fallout

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Proletären, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. AureliusofPhoenix

    AureliusofPhoenix 4 INT Legionary

    Jun 25, 2018
    @Jabberwok whether they intended to make 76 or not, it’s definitely an error to be corrected.
  2. Charwo

    Charwo Still Mildly Glowing

    Mar 9, 2017
    I wonder if perhaps I missed the theming of Fallout too. All of my player PCs I made for the Fallout games are science heroes. My VD was a doctor with hacking protocols downloaded into her Pipboy, my LW were twins, one doctor in training and the other a programmer, and my Courier was a pre-war Ghoul who was a playful hacker. And none of them are anywhere near as superstitious/reverent about ruins as a wastelander would be. The ruins aren't mysterious and ancient. Going into one isn't a dungeon crawl, it's a heist, with fat loot to score, and resources to extract.

    That's because I've never seen Fallout as a scathing satire of the 50s, or consumerism. The narrator might say they ran out of resources, but that's obviously not the point. Jingoism is not the point. The fall of the prewar world was that Chairman Chang was a Hitler level monster who rather than accept defeat, chose to take his enemies with him instead of safeguarding the existence of his people. The problem of Fallout is ideology over people, or rather totalitarianism. And totalitarianism isn't about hubris, it's that the rules of the ideology must be allowed to proceed without human interference.

    The problem of Fallout's world has never been hubris or indulgence, the problem is fanaticism. The problem with Fallout 3 is that the main factions are fantaics, and the final boss in 3 is the one moderate between Eden and Lyons. The problem with Fallout 4 is that ALL the factions are fanatics aside from the Minutemen. The reasons NV kingmaker scenario isn't nearly as offensive is only Ceasar is a self-admitted fanatic. The NCR is corrupt but also flexible and reasonable most of the time, House is legitimately a power-hungry jerk, but he's above ideology. Ultimately he's driven by moral pragmatism. So three of the choices are legitimate contenders.

    The rifts on consumerism and government propaganda and government corruption I saw as gentle rifts of the normal costs of doing business in any society. At least in Fallout 1.
  3. Jabberwok

    Jabberwok Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jun 7, 2008
    Where in the series is this information from? Just curious.
    Also, this seems to be suggesting that the United States bears no blame for the apocalypse, despite the entire first game being laced with all of the evils they committed in the name of expansion...

    Read Erich Fromm's Escape From Freedom, then read Hannah Arendt's work (she's the preeminent scholar on totalitarianism) for an explanation of how modernist, industrial capitalism led directly to the rise of totalitarianism. Consumerism is just a symptom of the former. These things are closely related in both our world, and Fallout's fictional version of it.
  4. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Chatterbox oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
  5. AureliusofPhoenix

    AureliusofPhoenix 4 INT Legionary

    Jun 25, 2018
  6. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
  7. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Chatterbox oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Clowns were in Fountains of Dreams actually but they don't know that.