Senior Producer: "The Legion is our ... evil group"

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Brycen, Oct 11, 2017.

  1. Apollyon

    Apollyon First time out of the vault

    Apr 29, 2017
    Calling the exchange of freedom for comfort objectively wrong is a weird generalization. I get where you're coming from, but someone who lives in a society has to abide by rules, and thus isn't truly free. Hell, if you fail to pay taxes in any western society you risk being put into jail or getting kicked out of your house. Clearly freedoms are being exchanged for comfort, even in the most free societies.
  2. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    Is there any objective, undeniable measurement we can refer to that suggests trading freedom for comfort is wrong?

    I'd say that's your view, and there is no objective morality to refer to that suggests its any more valid than any other moral view.
  3. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    A good philosopher in my college said the important thing to remember about moral relativism is that you're supposed to respect the views of others but this doesn't mean they're inherently valuable as your own views still have to be weighed against them. Or, in other words, "Everyone has an opinion on morality but the only one you're responsible for is your own."

    In fact, the argument of freedom vs. security is one I did a half-completed essay on using the Assassins vs. Templars.

    Basically, the gist of it being, "Freedom and Security aren't opponents but one is a necessity of the other." The man having freedom to express his opinions is a result of having the security to not starve to death or be killed for doing so.

    In the discussion of the "Freedom vs. Security" argument, I think the Legion is something of a nonstarter. It doesn't provide much security because it is a military oligarchy where there's no reason to really join up unless you're a male human warrior. I think a better argument for freedom vs. security is House vs. NCR vs. Independent Vegas.

    Who would YOU want to live under?

    House offers absolute protection and security of a benevolent god king who will provide stability but demands subservience in return. Ironically, his security is also a freedom as he requires nothing in the way of restrictions from his followers but "do not get in my way." As he said, no problems with being gay or Christian or atheist but you need to probably be employed as well as rich. As we see with the locals, though, their freedom was impinged to fit House's view of 50s Vegas.

    NCR offers a median between it and independence.

    Independence offers total freedom but no security outside of New Vegas.