'Vaults for human experiments' cannon

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First time out of the vault
At what point was the whole 'Vaults for human experiments' cannon introduced? was it already present in Fallout? was it introduced in Fallout2? or later?
Do we know if the Vanburen project continued on this storyline?
 
Introduced in Fallout 2, but utterly bastardised by everything that followed..

The 'experiment' of Fallout 2 was, I think, actually very subtle and quite frankly one I find believable. The often comical or utterly baffling and in my opinion jarringly obvious experiments of the 'modern' games vaults take things too far, and I think has been deliberately handled in such a way that it has been used as a 'padding' if content in he modern games.

Under the guise of [ insert wacky concept here ] because this vault [ input nonsense reasoning here ] = [ grindy side quest ]

It was my experience of the early games that the vaults felt like they were there for the survival of the people they housed, the experiments were a happy coincidence that came about because of the opportunity of such isolation of human test subjects.

In the modern games the vaults feel like forced, silly, stereotyped 'funny' experiments with the housing and survival of occupants a secondary (or non-existant) concern.

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I, honestly, think the Vault experiments are a dumb idea but not for the reason people think. The experiments only begin AFTER Armageddon. Which is a useless time since the Enclave should have all that data before they take off for space.

And no, Dick Richardson said it best, "The Vaults were never meant to save ANYONE."
 
I found the Vaults in New Vegas to at least be interesting.
Especially Vault 11 (I think it was).

Also, there was a Vault in F3 which was kinda interesting, but then again, it was mentioned in Fallout 2.
And Vault 111 was also pretty good.
 
To be honestly frank the idea that the Enclave forced Vault Tec to use the vaults as experiments was a bad move in hindsight. While F3, F4 and NV say that the FalloutVerse also scaled back from space after the crisis began, that still leaves a HUNDRED YEARS of space travel under their belts. Using the Vaults for experiments for an interstellar ship that was supposed to be made out of the resources and sparse infrastructure of the post-war world - and then was abandoned - doesn't even seem as a tragedy anymore, it seems like something that could had been left out and nothing would had changed.
 
I, honestly, think the Vault experiments are a dumb idea but not for the reason people think. The experiments only begin AFTER Armageddon. Which is a useless time since the Enclave should have all that data before they take off for space.
I believe Armageddon in the Fallout universe happened earlier than anyone thought it would. Even House, with all of his precise calculations, was off. The bombs fell early and he was a bit caught off guard because he didn't have the Chip. Perhaps Vault-Tec was waiting until all vaults were operational before beginning. Maybe the experiments were set to begin shortly, but the Great War cut them off and they had to seal the vaults and begin immediately.

As for Van Buren, yes a vault experiment in line with the recent ones was planned. Vault 29 was going to have all of the adults die off and have the ZAX computer raise the children and eventually let them out into the wastes to make their own community.
 
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To be honestly frank the idea that the Enclave forced Vault Tec to use the vaults as experiments was a bad move in hindsight. While F3, F4 and NV say that the FalloutVerse also scaled back from space after the crisis began, that still leaves a HUNDRED YEARS of space travel under their belts. Using the Vaults for experiments for an interstellar ship that was supposed to be made out of the resources and sparse infrastructure of the post-war world - and then was abandoned - doesn't even seem as a tragedy anymore, it seems like something that could had been left out and nothing would had changed.

I'm confused why they would want to colonize other solar systems versus trying to colonize Mars. The Vault systems would allow them to live underground. They could drain the water from the surface and heat the tunnels they have the ability to keep airtight. Much better than trying to colonize the actual surface.

*pause*

I've thought way too much about this.
 
I'm confused why they would want to colonize other solar systems versus trying to colonize Mars. The Vault systems would allow them to live underground. They could drain the water from the surface and heat the tunnels they have the ability to keep airtight. Much better than trying to colonize the actual surface.

*pause*

I've thought way too much about this.
Dude.....like..a spaceship.....that is a vault....
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I'm confused why they would want to colonize other solar systems versus trying to colonize Mars. The Vault systems would allow them to live underground. They could drain the water from the surface and heat the tunnels they have the ability to keep airtight. Much better than trying to colonize the actual surface.

*pause*

I've thought way too much about this.

Nah, I hate when scifi skips the solar system.

Maybe because the 90s was full of Mars fuckups - SEI and the struggle for Mars Direct in NASA.

SMAC didn't come out yet in 98, but B5 was already around, and Alpha Centauri has always been a scifi darling....
 
It's like cratcheyty ol joe said, the vault experiments which concept was first introduced in Fallout 2 were suppose to be very subtle, a system here that didn't work as it should or had a secondary function that was not mentioned, a population of groups that could not perhaps easily live together, a vault command hierarchy with flaws, or experiments in creating a new type of human society as mentioned in Van Buren in which children were separated from their parents and re educated by the Vault's teaching computers to learn the basics of production again such as agriculture that did not relied on advanced technology that would be lost or in short supply.
Only a few experiments were 'wacky' or plain ridiculous such as the Vault in which gas would be released that would make people hallucinate or turn them psychotic, the one with very bad entertainment files, or very low quality tasteless food.

As for colonizing Mars vs colonizing an Earth like planet in another star system, well the problem is resources and back up.
If we had developed the right space infrastructure today we could support a moon or Mars base, and perhaps eventually a colony.
The problem with such installations is that they won't be self reliant for at least several generations before the right infrastructure has finally build up and there is a abundance of resources in reserve.

Think of the bases on the South Pole/Antarctica. Only a handful can provide their own power (I think a Russian base has geothermic energy), but they can not grow their own food, or in only a small supply, manufacture replacement parts, or synthesize medicines.
Outside the base you can not even grow crops or hold lifestock unless you want to feed the scientists penguins, seals, and krill.

Now you can still send the people on the South Pole perhaps all this manufacturing equipment needed for such purposes but it still does not make the climate more suitable for habitation.

The same goes for Mars, it would still depend on supply ships being send several times during a year, and the colonists would be forced to live as much underground as possible due to the cosmic radiation (Mars has a much weaker magnetic field than Earth does). It can only be colonized with continuous support of Earth.

An Earth like world in which you can at least breathe the air, or perhaps only need to filter it minimally, has water that also only require minimal filtering, has gravity as close to Earth normal as possible, soil that is capable of supporting the plant life you bring along, or perhaps even has plant life that is not poisonous to a human and can actually be digested would be a much better choice.

I like to think the Enclave has a starship hidden somewhere, either in orbit around Earth or in some secret rocket silo.

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Yes, if this was the 80s or 90s. Even a Martian base today in some examples would not need to be underground (maybe covered with dirt) and could be self sufficient within years or even from the onset, especially if the ISS and 80s-00 years actually held better experiments with better tech, and if we started we would overcome those issues by field tests and work.

In the FALLOUT VERSE, where Mankind did land on the moon in the 60s according to Fallout 3 and continued to the 2050s. Disregarding 3, Fallout Von Braun had a lot of space tech, and 2 showed us they had HTHL shuttles. They would have had a hundred years to deal with those problems and a hundred years alongside for space infrastructure, expansion, and work.

Even now in 2016 the fallout verse has thirty odd years until the crisis generally. As the vaults themselves were closed systems for decades; they surely had the tech, especially since that tech was for a much more demanding mission (a interstellar trip on the order of decades, tested a hundred times simultaneously under mountains and atmospheric pressure holding populations of a thousand each for decades for an interstellar journey of the same timetable or so is by all accounts far less attractive than a Martian base where one could have a planet's worth of resources on demand through work and the ability to make air, expand the living space up to and including covered valleys, and everything else a planet can provide than whizzing through interstellar space on the hopes you'll make it to a 'earth 2'.

Again, Interplay weren't by and large scientists or even scifi authors, or diesel punk enthusiasts making vacuum tube homes and technology, and most likely picked Alpha Centauri out of a hat.
 
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Albeit, settling on Mars only makes sense if they plan to nuke or biologically zap the rest of humanity so they "win."

Which I wouldn't put past the Enclave.

I remember him saying they were meant to test humanity, I don't remember him saying what you quoted though.

I probably got it from another source.

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