What are some of your unpopular opinions?

[PaxVenire]

I don’t know if I’ve ever said this before and I’m not sure how upopular this is, but…

I think “War. War never changes.” is kind of a stupid tagline. To me it sounds like a preteen trying to be deep and philosophical. I can’t quite put my finger on why I think it sounds lame, something to do with the prose I guess, the way those words flow off Ron Perlman’s tongue. But I kind of cringe every time I hear it before/after the intro(s). The meat of the intros are usually pretty good though.

I can see what you mean, I think its misuse is even more highlighted when Bethesda uses it, especially in Fallout 4 and 76 where there's not even a proper Fallout intro to back those words up and it's just inserted in a line of dialogue for no reason (like the FO4 character creation). But I do like the intent behind it originally, that humans are primal and tribalistic by nature and will kill each other for any small reason.

 

[Iprovidelittlepianos]

I can see what you mean, I think its misuse is even more highlighted when Bethesda uses it, especially in Fallout 4 and 76 where there's not even a proper Fallout intro to back those words up and it's just inserted in a line of dialogue for no reason (like the FO4 character creation). But I do like the intent behind it originally, that humans are primal and tribalistic by nature and will kill each other for any small reason.

Yeah, the meaning of it is fine, I just don’t like the way it’s written I guess. And yes, it’s way worse in Fallout 4. But the absolute worst use of it has to go to the tv show. Perhaps the longest pregnant pause (that wasn’t played for laughs) that I’ve ever heard.

 

[PaxVenire]

Bethesda choosing West Virginia, an otherwise completely forgettable state, to be the test-bed for many of Fallout's more experimental projects pre-war (completely automated facilities, experimental biomedical projects, space research) was really smart. It was smart in terms of game design because West Virginia would be a super boring map to explore otherwise. But also it was smart because logically the U.S. probably would pick a forgettable state to run rampant experiments on.

 

[Tenebris]

I know the talking deathclaws seem to bother a lot of people, but I felt they were done in a way that makes sense and in a serious manner, due to them being experiments of the Enclave, so that never bothered me in the slightest. For me, the talking rats could have been experimented on similarly to the talking deathclaws. When I first played FO2 and encountered the Hubologist, I didn't even realize that they were inspired by Scientology, so they didn't feel out of place or come across as a joke, and it still doesn't for me. I feel like younger generations who will play this game eventually might not even recognize these outdated references and make nothing of them. My answers might sound like cope or denial since that's what Bethesda fans are known to do, but it's my reasons and instinct.

The borrows were more well written and made sense but were deleted because tim felt that its content was not appropriate to fallout, mainly based on its style and feel in the game universe and not on its artistic merit, and this is my problem with talking deathclaw and rats, intelligent animals are more interesting when they less "human", the xenomorph from alien is highly intelligent but you don't see them go and talks to humans, they behave like animals even when they rest (alien 1979 ending).

Bethesda choosing West Virginia, an otherwise completely forgettable state, to be the test-bed for many of Fallout's more experimental projects pre-war (completely automated facilities, experimental biomedical projects, space research) was really smart. It was smart in terms of game design because West Virginia would be a super boring map to explore otherwise. But also it was smart because logically the U.S. probably would pick a forgettable state to run rampant experiments on.

doesn't west virginia have less federal land than most states? making experiment there kind of make sense, but you will think it have enough federal lands for it (i didn't play the game or look at the lore so i don't know if these tests are massive or something)

 

[PaxVenire]

doesn't west virginia have less federal land than most states? making experiment there kind of make sense, but you will think it have enough federal lands for it (i didn't play the game or look at the lore so i don't know if these tests are massive or something)

Not sure about this in real life, but even if that is the case I’m sure the government could just enact eminent domain where it needs to. That or they could just ignore laws under the guise of wartime emergency, after all this is the same universe where the government broadcast war crimes live on TV as peacekeeping propaganda.

 

[Tenebris]

The fev in the atmosphere is really stupid, i don't understand how people believe in it, from how it contradict the creation of the fev to the unrealistic process of turning into an airborne disease make no sense, how the virus survived the nukes? the heat inside and outside the glow? even if it survived it won't mutate because how west tek made it {The FEV is a megavirus, with a protein sheath reinforced by ionized hydrogen. It is therefore capable of absorbing neutrons without becoming radioactive.} from ZAX smg

 

[Iprovidelittlepianos]

The fev in the atmosphere is really stupid, i don't understand how people believe in it, from how it contradict the creation of the fev to the unrealistic process of turning into an airborne disease make no sense, how the virus survived the nukes? the heat inside and outside the glow? even if it survived it won't mutate because how west tek made it {The FEV is a megavirus, with a protein sheath reinforced by ionized hydrogen. It is therefore capable of absorbing neutrons without becoming radioactive.} from ZAX smg

Yeah you’re kinda right. I think it was a holdover from earlier ideas for the game (the version where nukes triggered the San Andreas fault and separated LA from the mainland), before they decided that radiation alone should cause mutations.

 

[Mr Fish]

The fev in the atmosphere is really stupid, i don't understand how people believe in it, from how it contradict the creation of the fev to the unrealistic process of turning into an airborne disease make no sense, how the virus survived the nukes? the heat inside and outside the glow? even if it survived it won't mutate because how west tek made it {The FEV is a megavirus, with a protein sheath reinforced by ionized hydrogen. It is therefore capable of absorbing neutrons without becoming radioactive.} from ZAX smg

Life uh, finds a way.

Did the Glow get nuked btw?
There is a big hole in the ground but it's been a while since I went over The Glow, did it explicitly get nuked?

Also keep in mind that Fallout plays a bit fast and loose with SCIENCE!, for example the insects would not be able to survive being the size they are at in Fallout.

I figured it was some kind of a mutagen that due to the enormously volatile nature of it (look at Mariposa and the super mutants) the blast at The Glow blew open something in there that caused it to swirl up in the storm and mix in with the nuclear winter to give the faintest little lick of FEV to anything that survived. How did it survive? I dunno, how do Super Mutants just balloon in mass without turning into bloated masses of cancer? SCIENCE! of course!

 

[Iprovidelittlepianos]

Did the Glow get nuked btw?
There is a big hole in the ground but it's been a while since I went over The Glow, did it explicitly get nuked?

I’m pretty sure it’s implied to have been directly nuked, given the hole in the ground. But the hole also doesn’t make any sense. Everything surrounding the hole is still intact. It looks more like it got hit by a space laser.

 

[Gizmojunk]

Bunker Buster

 

[Iprovidelittlepianos]

Bunker Buster

Yeah but a bunker buster will still explode once it penetrates the bunker. The explosion that destroyed the Glow seems to have been directed straight down. The walls surrounding the crater on each level are still intact, and the bottom level is virtually unscathed. We’d at least expect to see the level that the bomb actually exploded on to be completely annihilated.

 

[Gizmojunk]

The bomb should have been at the bottom, unexploded.

 

[Tenebris]

Life uh, finds a way.

Did the Glow get nuked btw?
There is a big hole in the ground but it's been a while since I went over The Glow, did it explicitly get nuked?

nicole said Day glow was nuked to hell as if there was "something special there", we know it is fev and that china was scared of it

Also keep in mind that Fallout plays a bit fast and loose with SCIENCE!, for example the insects would not be able to survive being the size they are at in Fallout.

I figured it was some kind of a mutagen that due to the enormously volatile nature of it (look at Mariposa and the super mutants) the blast at The Glow blew open something in there that caused it to swirl up in the storm and mix in with the nuclear winter to give the faintest little lick of FEV to anything that survived. How did it survive? I dunno, how do Super Mutants just balloon in mass without turning into bloated masses of cancer? SCIENCE! of course!

no it is just two people fighting about what should be done but the other wrote one more reliable than the other (you still didn't explain shit fish)

If in a hypothetical virus created for the purpose of accelerating evolution, some of the carbon atoms are replaced with the isotope 14-C, and some of the hydrogen with tritium, then upon penetration into the nucleus of the host cell, irradiation of the host DNA from these radioactive isotopes will lead to accelerated mutation of the host DNA.

harry says What do you mean?

 

[Mr Fish]

nicole said Day glow was nuked to hell as if there was "something special there",

Radiation could be from the facility, not the bombs.

no it is just two people fighting about what should be done but the other wrote one more reliable than the other

Who?

(you still didn't explain shit fish)

yu-huh

 

[Tenebris]

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Radiation could be from the facility, not the bombs.

how?

Who?

tim and chris taylor

 

[Mr Fish]

how?

radioactive material in enclosed space gets blown up, blasted into the air

I remember this story once where if you want your apartment to have a nice vanilla smell you can put a small amount of vanilla extract into your oven and it will cause the liquid to turn into gas and flow out of the oven but she had too much vanilla extract and so once all was said and done the apartment stunk of it. I dunno how FEV works on a liquid and gaseous level but maybe the radioactive element in it (the smell of vanilla) is expanded upon in a gaseous form.

Of course, why isn't Mariposa radioactive as The Glow is after the events of Fallout 1?
No idea.

Could be a nuclear reactor that got cracked?
Could be waste storage that got cracked open too.
Could be the S'Lanter farted too much on their way out.

 

[Tenebris]

radioactive material in enclosed space gets blown up, blasted into the air

I remember this story once where if you want your apartment to have a nice vanilla smell you can put a small amount of vanilla extract into your oven and it will cause the liquid to turn into gas and flow out of the oven but she had too much vanilla extract and so once all was said and done the apartment stunk of it. I dunno how FEV works on a liquid and gaseous level but maybe the radioactive element in it (the smell of vanilla) is expanded upon in a gaseous form.

Of course, why isn't Mariposa radioactive as The Glow is after the events of Fallout 1?
No idea.

a better question is why is there a self destruct option in a military base? why is there a nuke in los angeles vault? and how nuclear plant melt down cause a nuclear blast in the oil rig? probably SIENCE! and 90s comics logic

Could be a nuclear reactor that got cracked?
Could be waste storage that got cracked open too.
Could be the S'Lanter farted too much on their way out.

i think it is the third one

 

[Mr Fish]

a better question is why there is self destruct option in a military base? why is there a nuke in los angeles vault? and how nuclear plant melt down cause a nuclear blast in the oil rig? probably SIENCE! and 90s comics logic

Honestly, I think it's just because nukes are cool and they went with the rule of cool. A big bang is a satisfying climax.

Easiest explanation for them is probably that at that time of war (Mariposa was a recent construction) maybe scorched earth was a strategy that was becoming more common place as a tactic. If the Chinese invade then why let them take what we have? If we're gonna lose Mariposa then let's just blow it up. It was a research center for finding a serum to create super soldiers after all. Don't want that falling into the wrong hands. I think a bigger question is why didn't Maxxy use it when they left the facility if the experiments were so inhumane that they were willing to defect from the US military over it?

And the nuke in the cathedral? Unity probably found it at some point as they went out looking for hardware to use and the Master ordered it to be brought into one of their strongholds for safekeeping in case they needed to use it. Why Cathedral over Mariposa? Easiest explanation? Nuke was probably found closer to Cathedral than Mariposa, so easier to lug it to one than the other I guess. [edit] Or is it a nuke or a nuclear reactor? I can't remember, I always go fisticuff the Master or debate him, I only ever did the nuke option once. If it's a nuclear reactor then that's what powers the place. How does it turn into a nuke? lol, big bang!

I have no idea how to explain the Oil Rig explosion however. I've never been that into the Enclave so it's not something I think a lot about.

But like I said I think the primary reason is just because nukes == cool and they wanted a rule of cool ending climax.

 

[Gizmojunk]

a better question is why is there a self destruct option in a military base?

Because if something (like a lethal virus for instance) ever got out of control, they can destroy it from within; before it escapes to the outside.
The same could apply to the base being overrun, and soon to be lost; tech & equipment lost with it.

 

[Tenebris]

Easiest explanation for them is probably that at that time of war (Mariposa was a recent construction) maybe scorched earth was a strategy that was becoming more common place as a tactic. If the Chinese invade then why let them take what we have? If we're gonna lose Mariposa then let's just blow it up. It was a research center for finding a serum to create super soldiers after all. Don't want that falling into the wrong hands. I think a bigger question is why didn't Maxxy use it when they left the facility if the experiments were so inhumane that they were willing to defect from the US military over it?

him letting the vats as it is was against the core believe of his faction, i didn't read his diary since my last playthrough long time ago but i think he wanted to take the opportunity to make a cult around knights templar culture and didn't care about the fev that much, also the way he killed the scientists without thinking then after days "oh no what i have done!" made me think he is psychopath or something