1UP interview with Emil

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Per, Dec 29, 2008.

  1. Tigranes

    Tigranes First time out of the vault

    78
    Dec 13, 2003
    Uh, overboard much?

    There're some stupid things in there that betrays a lack of thought (UK->US travel, companions/ending, etc) but it's not a pile of glistening poo.

    Yeah, maybe they should have copy & pasted the Behemoths to keep with the design? :| I mean, the subways were boring, but that's no reason to attack them for, uh, not including a lot of Behemoths, which would have been moronic.

    Or maybe Emil actually can't remember. I mean, this is right down 'your mom' jokes.

    Next, we can mock him about how they got the exact shade of brown wrong in the Wasteland, and throw in a soil erosion joke.

    Seriously, it's not like there's a lack of stuff in FO3 to constructively criticise without going nyah-nyah at Emil. It's also nice to hear these kind of afterthoughts from the designer, by the way.

    The explanations for the companions/ending screwup is the one that makes the most sense, I guess, given what we've got. I think it would be a lot more palatable as a simple "sorry we couldn't fit it in" if the ending itself wasn't so crap and nonsensical to begin with (The magical purifier-which-shalt-explode-if-you-don't-turn-it-on, etc). Fawkes' comment about 'destiny', for instance, would have toed the line of acceptability if you had built an emotional connection with your dad over the course of the game. As it is, the main quest is too short, the time you spend with your dad is extremely annoying, you are shoe-horned into a particular role awash with NWN1-ish heroic language, and Fawkes' comment only serves to reinforce the paper-house feeling of the whole hero-dad thing.

    Never mind how Alistair Tenpenny's complete lack of backstory, motivation and logical behaviour is passed off as "giving players something to think about", eh.

    Oh, did anybody think it was weird how they say they wanted to end FO3 because... FO1 and FO2 end as well? What? :shock:
     
  2. Genma:TheDestroyer

    Genma:TheDestroyer It Wandered In From the Wastes

    128
    Sep 23, 2008
    Hum, perhaps the DLC will change things so you can convince your more suitable companions to carry out the radiation task, thus freeing you up for later adventures.

    Or, if you're more manipulative and don't care what happens to them, even being able to convince your normal human companions to go out in a final blaze of glory.


    You'd think that would be a logical choice for one way of resolving the issue.
     
  3. UncannyGarlic

    UncannyGarlic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 6, 2008
    Indeed they did and I got shit (maybe not here) for calling them out on shitty design. Having done some mechanical engineering projects myself, I know that if you just skip to the build phase that you will always end up with a flawed end product.

    The point is that his given reason is demonstratively bogus as they did what he said they didn't want to do other places in the game.

    Oh of course, that's why you decided to make a sequel and not a spin-off or spiritual successor, you didn't want to be bogged down by all of that canon.

    California's one of the world's largest economies by itself, has a very good climate (fertile, easy to survive in, weather is fairly tame [ie no hurricanes], etc.), and has a lot of resources. Why exactly would they give a shit about D.C. exactly?

    You had shitty design that didn't make sense so instead of delaying the project to fix it, you just put it out because you thought that what was gained was bigger than the glaring flaws? Here's an idea, fix it in a post-release patch that's free (like The Witcher). Also, you said in another interview that the whole point of the main quest was sacrifice which would mean that these followers would fuck up that idea and your bogus idea for how the game would end would only be an option, one that most people wouldn't take on their first play through.

    When "inspiration strikes" you are saying that someone was suddenly hit with an idea, it's rare for multiple people to have the same inspiration, let alone an entire design team with an entire product.

    ...What? How exactly does a town that banishes adults survive in a wasteland where resources are scarce and raiders are plentiful? It was a shitty ripoff of "Lord of the Flies" that didn't fit the setting at all.

    A republic named after a single person? How exactly does this make any fucking sense? Maybe you ought to choose a government that isn't communal in nature.

    Here's a question, if Europe is as shitty as you suggest, how the fuck did he cross the ocean when the US doesn't have any seafaring capability?

    What's not black and white about one group or the other having to kill off the other? Yes, you had some good ideas for this quest but your execution was pretty shitty, unconvincing, and aggravating for players. Not because you couldn't save everyone but because the major plot twist happened completely off screen and the explanation for it was all but non-existent and the reactions of the characters involved towards you was also completely contrary to their actions.

    Translation: we originally designed the game and then realized that the game was too different from Fallout to even pretend that it was a sequel so we made some shitty simply alternatives to pretend and then lied that we offered exponentially more than we actually did.

    First off, you're greatly innovative, not wanting to change things because damn, that might catch people off guard. Second, maybe if you actually listened to fan/community input you wouldn't have this problem since this expectation was clear for a damn long time on the Bethesda forums.
     
  4. 4too

    4too Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 30, 2003
    The Future Is Now

    The Future Is Now



    1) Dave. Didn't Douglas Adams have a self actualizing egocentric in 'Salmon Of Doubt?'


    2) Future plot device: wake up and it was all a DREAM! Can restart retread retell any tale. Yeah, who shot J.R.



    3) Here's another bit of magic to ponder ...

    Between the dire economic forecasts, some media time is filled with sweet nothings about the seemingly recession proof video game industry.
    Most coo about the Wii and the designs for, the designs on, casual gamers as *proof* of a broad based demographic.
    Bigger market, eternal acceleration of profits, ... amen.

    Oh, and recall how other talking heads like the "B" word, their mouths emote -- BILLIONS - with a curious inflection -- envy / greed? ,
    Appears to be a strange fixated emphasis on gross profits
    when talking trash about how the game industry may some day surpass the movie /TV industry in money minting "pow-ahz".

    Games are reputed to be cheaper to extrude then AAA movies.
    And, from this interview we see why, games -- especially big sand box simulations -- are not burdened with presenting a coherent story.
    Story continuity fails in a movie and the fourth wall of immersion / fantasy comes tumbling down, movie becomes an 'art flick', too cool to be hindered by plot and delivery, too cool to be well written and organized in production, just dig it man...
    When story fades in a game, well -- traditionally, the story is just an excuse for the immersion of gameplay, or the immersion of splatter humor, jiggle physics and bloom graphics.

    For years and years. video games seem to still be hyper complex productions, seemingly unprofessional and disorganized, no time to fill in plot holes, no time to bug hunt.
    Out on the shelves by the Christmas quarter. More luck then planning. Happy accidents.
    Expressed immersion by video quality is only a hook, the real spell, the altered state reality, may be inducing repetitive motion hypnotics by the obsessed mental state of grinding game play.
    Behavior modification as entertainment, well no news there ...

    Hey-hey-hey-- B-soft made the dead line, shipped the boxes, and was never hindered by having to solidify a story, that's par for a billion, BILLION, dollar industry!

    A fast track prestidigitation passes as good enough, good enough for who it's for, you me and all our casual pals, and the media drum beat raves 11 out of 10 hyperbolism!

    We buy that 11 out of 10 moonshine, it's part of the price of entry of this encapsulated illusion called a video game.
    The hype grooms our expectations. Expectations guide our experience, our enjoyment of the fast mass marketed mirage.

    Yeah, I want to invest my dwindling retirement portfolio on this THIS game entertainment industry?

    If can save money on writers, can save money on the producers and all the production heads, and bet on a happy accident?

    For all the talk of business experience and 'proven' performance models it's all just a gamble, ain't it!

    Please, save the 'sure thing' hype for the nex' speculation bubble, the nex' ponsey / pyramid scheme the nex' gen--eration of smart money.

    Games are games, and the sooner the focus is on making games, and not gaming the market, the better and healthier this industry may be .
    Just for fun ... How about basing this fantasy industry on a sliver of coherent fiscal reality,
    more a crafted product then a product of craft?

    The saving grace for this interviewee, is that B-soft is still in the 'game' and ready to roll out the plot patches on their work(s) in progress.
    AND THERE'S MORE ... the best of all come ons!
    No procrastinator in history could be this lucky! Right? All in the plan, all in the deal, a fast shuffle business model, 3 card showmanship ftw!

    If B-soft is the tip top of these disorganized organizations and the template business model then we know how the wanna bees will emulate, we know the future.
    We see it now and it will be repeated until the next bubble bursts.

    Save the story for the movies, that's their problem!

    We see the now, we see the future.

    We see, we do, stimulus response, that's all the story that matters for the Big Billions.

    The future is now.

    Are we there yet?




    4too
     
  5. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    Although before the game was out, i still had some hope that emil might raise the quality bar for bethesda, if just a bit, it seems that i was wrong. This guy is just as cheesy as Todd, with the exception that he sometimes tries to add some macabre tones to the game (although he usually fails at that also).

    It seems that bethesda just doesn't have any people who could delve a bit deeper when it comes to irony, sarcasm, logic and tie all those aspects together to something that makes sense and establishes a subtile atmosphere for the game.

    These interviews with the main people from bethesda kind of reinforces my belief that they are just a bunch of amateurs who just so happen to have a wealthy publisher making up for their lack of talent with big marketing campaigns.

    This is horrible :roll:
     
  6. TyloniusFunk

    TyloniusFunk It Wandered In From the Wastes

    130
    Nov 19, 2008
    This is just it. There is no theme. This interview is a sad moment for video game legitimacy.

    Rather, production units. I'm sure they're giving 110% 4too.
     
  7. coliphorbs

    coliphorbs Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    330
    Jun 2, 2008
    This pisses me off:

    And then you went ahead and advertised lies about 200 different ending variations? SCHYEAAAAAH.

    But eh, Bethesda and false advertising are old news. Remember that original Oblivion trailer? Haw haw..
     
  8. TheWesDude

    TheWesDude Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 25, 2005
    no, no, no... you guys dont understand.

    they did not create this game to:

    be intelligent
    be coherent
    be a sequel
    for you
    for me


    if you do not like the mechanics, they didnt create it for you

    if i do not like the mechanics, they did not create it for me

    if you do not like the story, well you get the idea.

    they wrote it FOR THEMSELVES.

    all the justifications end right there. it makes sense for them, thusly it is. how DARE you expect THEM to want coherency or a faithful sequel... they only promised a game THEY would want to play.

    and they did. 11/10.

    BUT

    by MY standards, FO3 is more of a 3-4/10
     
  9. Ovg

    Ovg First time out of the vault

    88
    Nov 6, 2008
    This guy just shown, what Bethesda was thinking. When he speaks about Little Lamplight he actually shows us, that they found it so uber-cool, that they added it to their game. Also, when he says that the ending has much to do with fallout 1 AND 2 he get's it partialy wrong. Although in FO1 after you defeated (one way, or another) the main "boss", you were getting endgame video. In fallout 2 you didn't have to end your game, there was even more content revealed to the player after the end boss fight! I just hope they'll get better at making good games.
     
  10. Chancellor Kremlin

    Chancellor Kremlin Mildly Dipped

    527
    Nov 17, 2008
    Ha! Indeed, they fixed it! By adding THREE COMPLETELY AND NOVEL WAYS FOR YOU TO DIE!!! Some choice indeed.

    Yes it makes so much sense to revive a faction that was killed off from the top down. Off course, im going to quote the
    Convenience maybe? Im glad it made sense FOR THEM because for me it absolutely didn't.

    I think this sums up Bethesdas overall quality standards:

    [/quote]
     
  11. MrBumble

    MrBumble Vault Fossil

    Jan 17, 2006
    Awwww that's tooooooo bad... :roll:

    So...cliché...



    His answer about the end of the game was just as lame as I expected...Well at least he's honnest about how little thought was placed into the main storyline.
     
  12. Alphadrop

    Alphadrop A right proper chap.

    Aug 21, 2008
    I was surprised when I first heard how they develop games. It's all so slap dash and rushed in development it's quite amazing they came out with a game at all.
    Also surprised they can't see those glaring plot holes, though maybe they are so big that you need to step back a bit to see them :P
     
  13. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    Meh. The only spoiler here would be how limited the options are at endgame, if we couldn't have expected it.
     
  14. JR Jansen

    JR Jansen Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    951
    Apr 11, 2003
    Re: The Future Is Now

    Nobody, i'm still here. :D

    Sorry, couldn't resist
     
  15. Chancellor Kremlin

    Chancellor Kremlin Mildly Dipped

    527
    Nov 17, 2008
    Has anybody ever heard of BBC's ''Hardtalk''? I wish just for once they would get an interviewer who just didn't play ball, you know, like instea of:

    ''Yeah we knew it was a major plot hole''
    ''Oh ok, yes, and now to the next question..''

    Something more like:

    ''WHAT THE FUCK!? YOU KNEW!!!!

    Perhaps NMA should organise a number of set questions for Fallout 3's production team to answer, and electe somebody to ask them.
     
  16. M-26-7

    M-26-7 Still Mildly Glowing

    246
    Jul 20, 2008
    It's actually kind of hilarious when it really gets down to it.
    1UP: So that whole plot thing, that was kind of a big fuck up on your part....
    Emil: Hmmm?
    1UP: You know, the whole ghoul, Fawkes, and the robot thing?
    Emil: Oh yeah, heh heh, that was a pretty big fuck up wasn't it? Yeah well the NPCs were just an afterthought, we realized people might get a little pissed if we left such a staple of the series out. But while our designers were busy half-assing the whole npc part, our writers alerted us to this whole 'plot hole' business. We figured, since we already had the story made out, why adjust it to be coherent, because frankly it was hardly coherent to begin with
    1Up: <3 Emil <3 ^,^ XOXOXO
     
  17. BloodyPuppy

    BloodyPuppy Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    359
    Nov 18, 2008
    Well I wouldn't call companions a series staple. In fact I recall that they were a last second addition to Fallout 1.
     
  18. Beelzebud

    Beelzebud A Smooth-Skin

    674
    Mar 6, 2008
    So the lead designer of Fallout 3 didn't actually bother to play the first two games?

    It's amazing to me that these people have such disregard for the franchise they bought out. The nerve of him to dismiss Fallout 2 of not letting you keep playing after the end, at the same time trying to claim credit for that concept from Oblivion... When it's just flat out wrong! One of the things I used to do was wander around a beaten Fallout 2 finishing all the side quests and optional things.

    It's not something people have come to expect of Bethesda, the only people that seem to complain about it are ones that actually played the original games!
     
  19. Flick

    Flick It Wandered In From the Wastes

    142
    Jun 23, 2007
    Because we are the only people who played them.
     
  20. Beelzebud

    Beelzebud A Smooth-Skin

    674
    Mar 6, 2008
    If I had some talent I'd redo the South Park Indiana Jones episode to be Bethesda's head honchos raping the Vault Boy.