3rd-Party FIXT weapons/armor patch V0.1 September 15, 2013
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I like what I'm seeing in the readme, I'll play around with this (finally... sorry) and let you know.
Even if I don't adopt it 100%, I think probably most of it will go into FIXT as default, the rest as optional. Definitely keeping most of the weapon stats, not sure about critter stats, that will require playtesting.
Thanks for doing this, by the way. Mods of mods (heh) are always fun.
Even if I don't adopt it 100%, I think probably most of it will go into FIXT as default, the rest as optional. Definitely keeping most of the weapon stats, not sure about critter stats, that will require playtesting.
Thanks for doing this, by the way. Mods of mods (heh) are always fun.
It would be nice if there's an installer option to keep the vanilla (aka broken) weapon/ammo/critter stats, at least for "patch only".Sduibek said:
BTW, Long Range perk doesn't simply add a flat 40% to hit chance. It actually works a bit more complicate than that. Here's a pseudocode of ToHit calculation in FO2, remove the player PE nerf and scoped range check you'll get how FO1 works. I've written an awfully long list of ToHit calculation formulas of all possible conditions for both FO1&2 and verified them in game, but currently it's in Chinese.
And the penetrate perk only reduces DT by 80% (divided by 5), not ignore it completely.
Why would we keep vanilla stats of the clearly broken ones?NovaRain said:
(For example some of the weapons that are clearly inferior)
Just though the patch only option in FIXT should be more or less like killap's unofficial patch, which doesn't touch most of weapon/ammo/armor even if they're indeed "broken" or unbalanced at the beginning (e.g. AP ammo). But I'm fine if you decide to integrate those changes. Even if there's no option to not install them, guess I can still remove/modify them manually.Sduibek said:
Heh. More I'm just wondering why you would want to remove them. Do you like the current setup? If there's people who legitimately think it's fine as-is, then yes for sure I can make it all optional.NovaRain said:
Nope, there are some stuff in vanilla FO1 setup I don't like. But I would like to have only the weapon/armor/critter protos modified by myself in folders, not necessary to have some pre-installed weapon/armor mods in an "unofficial patch" kind of setup. Must admit I got strange opinions for some specific matters.Sduibek said:
Understood, but you do have to understand there's a fatal flaw in this approach -- if you replace protos with your own, it can easily cause crashes when the maps were built using the other protos.NovaRain said:
I know that, but since in FO1 there are fewer stuff than FO2, I usually only tweak some minor stats like weapon damage or AP cost. Didn't have any unusual crash (reproducible) so far.Sduibek said:
Back on topic, I only use some of the changes on armors from dudejo001's patch in my game, since I'm not too fond of giving so many weapons the penetrate perk.
Yeah, nothing in FO1's damage situation is truly fixable without engine change (things like YAAM etc), because all of the ammo modifiers are ignored. I don't know how people have written that different ammos make a difference; they don't. Unless the game isn't reporting differences, I did extensive testing and the calculated damage and ToHit% are identical across all weapons using all ammos. It just takes the raw damage figure (e.g. 5-12 x #rounds) and applies to the target's DR and DT and AC, that's all.
Quite a shame, really. I'm amazed no one ever noticed this during beta testing.
Per's guide says they make a difference but I tried hard for many hours to reproduce this and I couldn't. I found no difference between any ammos, all the ammo mod fields are ignored by the game.
It's actually pretty easy to test. Change an item to a flat damage (say 100-100) and single shot, then equip one of them with AP and the other with JHP. Stand the exact same distance from a target and switch weapons. ToHit% won't change and you'll do the same damage with either weapon.
EDIT: The only possibility I see is that there IS a ToHit% change, but it's not displayed when targeting the enemy (which of course is total bullshit, I have no idea why they'd do it that way) but I need more testing to confirm that.
Quite a shame, really. I'm amazed no one ever noticed this during beta testing.
Per's guide says they make a difference but I tried hard for many hours to reproduce this and I couldn't. I found no difference between any ammos, all the ammo mod fields are ignored by the game.
It's actually pretty easy to test. Change an item to a flat damage (say 100-100) and single shot, then equip one of them with AP and the other with JHP. Stand the exact same distance from a target and switch weapons. ToHit% won't change and you'll do the same damage with either weapon.
EDIT: The only possibility I see is that there IS a ToHit% change, but it's not displayed when targeting the enemy (which of course is total bullshit, I have no idea why they'd do it that way) but I need more testing to confirm that.
Only armor changes for fire/laser/plasma stats.dudejo001 said:
I was doing some testing last night and its appears AP ammo may have a lower chance to hit that's not reflected in the percentage when targeting enemies. ... I can remove this apparently reduction, but I can't seem to reverse it. I can't seem to make it hit more often than JHP.
So, long story short, the best I can do, if this undocumented chance to hit modifier isn't just my imagination, is make AP the same as JHP. Le sigh.
TLDR: Ammo damage modifiers are always ignored, tohit modifier seems to only work as a reduction but not as a bonus.
I guess we could just swap the files, giving AP a higher chance to hit than JHP.
So, long story short, the best I can do, if this undocumented chance to hit modifier isn't just my imagination, is make AP the same as JHP. Le sigh.
TLDR: Ammo damage modifiers are always ignored, tohit modifier seems to only work as a reduction but not as a bonus.
I guess we could just swap the files, giving AP a higher chance to hit than JHP.
From what I can tell, yes. But your ToHit displayed in game is indentical, currently it's only a theory based on firing 10 times per round over and over with different ACmod values and observing the % hits.dudejo001 said:
@dudejo001, Have your files changed at all since your last upload? I want to make sure I have the newest version.
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