A Fallout Game Set in Europe

R.Graves said:
gotta agree with rise on this one.

setting a fallout game in Europe removes too much of the fallout branding. hell just moving it to the east coast created huge problems that were lazily solved with "ah fuck it just shove west coast stuff in there".
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Not really. Look at Code Geass, which is alternate history just like the Fallout games. That anime is set in a timeline where things went REALLY well for Britain for the most part. The Romans get booted out of Britain, Queen Elizabeth I has male heirs, the American Revolution fails, and the Holy Britannian Empire ends up conquering about a third of the globe after losing the British Isles to Napoleonic France. While the first two seasons were mainly set in Japan, Akito the Exiled was set in Europe. It didn't lose any of the feel. Same idea with a Fallout game set outside the U.S. You're just looking at the alternate timeline from a different part of the world.
 
Fallout's setting is a time capsule; it exists 80 years after a great war that destroyed the world. It's a partially surreal setting that is wholly the sum of its parts—which includes America, and the American perspective. Its setting, gameplay, humor, and over the top violence all come together like a kind of PA-science fiction/game soufflé, where if everything is done just right—it works; or else it falls apart. I honestly believe it was better as a one-off adventure; the first (and ideally last) of its name.

To do as this topic suggests (and do it well), would require the region's own local humor, and [PA] setting; this could be a good game, but it wouldn't be Fallout...and I think it would needlessly suffer the vestigial baggage of Fallout, if it were to try to present itself as part of the same gameworld.

Fallout 2 was IMO a stretch for the setting, and a poor copy at that. It was of no great improvement other than bug & gameplay fixes. FO3 & 4 suffer the same situation, but as though done from FOBOS. Fallout 2's redeeming quality was just that it was bigger. It still suffered from the copy-of-a-copy problem (as all other Fallout games that follow the first), in that it was all still there to see, but it was a faded degenerative copy of it; meaning that information was lost in the transition. IMO the lightning didn't strike twice for them, but the game was still recognizably Fallout... rather than blatantly Fallout~ish. What I see suggested here is to create something Fallout~ish; in the same way as creating something 'The Big Bang Theory'~ish, and 'The Simspons'~ish.




It's worth mentioning that this hypothetical European version isn't guaranteed to be bad for the attempt... What became Fallout started out intending to be another Wasteland game—it's how we got Fallout at all.
 
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WeissYohji said:
Not really. Look at Code Geass, which is alternate history just like the Fallout games. That anime is set in a timeline where things went REALLY well for Britain for the most part. The Romans get booted out of Britain, Queen Elizabeth I has male heirs, the American Revolution fails, and the Holy Britannian Empire ends up conquering about a third of the globe after losing the British Isles to Napoleonic France. While the first two seasons were mainly set in Japan, Akito the Exiled was set in Europe. It didn't lose any of the feel. Same idea with a Fallout game set outside the U.S. You're just looking at the alternate timeline from a different part of the world.
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It's not the same alternate history as Fallout.
Fallout alternate history is only 100 years different from our own world (it's actually only 30+/- years difference in 1997, but with 80 more years in the future compared to 1997).
Code Geass alternate history started (by what you say) almost 2000 years in the past...
 
The East Coast failed because Bethesda was unwilling or unable to actually move the core moral theme of Fallout to it: that Human society will reform and adapt and provide a myriad of answers to being a nuked out 50's cold war comic series. Instead, it produced a shitty filler comic of giant ants and giant robots and communists in a factory instead of a trader going mad with science to produce Unity or the Pre-War government going all 90's conspiracy.

As I said before, I believe that Fallout can take place anywhere in the world, because the Cold War was a huge cultural era with its own micro-eras. Cold-war Africa, Europe, South America, Asia existed and were distinct from their WW2 counterparts or Post-Cold War counterparts, with their myriad forms and could be cut out and 'Falloutized' IMO. All you need is to extrapolate from this admixture. A lot of the world can offer nationalist, militarist, monarchist, republican, rightist, and leftist options that the US is curiously absent from using; for example.

A lot will be new. Fallout will be basically filling in a hundred and fifty years of pre-war history and who knows how many decades or centuries after (should be decades to a century IMO, ala F1 through F2). But I still think it can be done - just not by Bethesda or anyone just trying to make a plain action series. It needs to be a full story with a problem, theme, various answers to that problem, and the ability for the player to choose one of them all.
 
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Risewild said:
It's not the same alternate history as Fallout.
Fallout alternate history is only 100 years different from our own world (it's actually only 30+/- years difference in 1997, but with 80 more years in the future compared to 1997).
Code Geass alternate history started (by what you say) almost 2000 years in the past...
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So what? The same principle applies in either case.
 
WeissYohji said:
So what? The same principle applies in either case.
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2000 years can and will change a country, in 2000 years most countries changed quite a lot politically, culturally and economically. Hell, most countries 2000 years ago were not even countries. Many were kingdoms or not even formed yet.

For example Spain only appeared 502 years ago. Before that, what was later known as Spain was actually several kingdoms and a large part was Moorish territory. In those 502 years since, it went from being a classic monarchy to a constitutional monarchy and then to a constitutional democracy.
The USA and Australia (countries) are both less than 300 years old.
For example, in less than 800 years, Russia went from a Grand Duchy, to a Tsardom, then to an Empire, then to a Republic, to a Soviet Union State, and it's now a Federation.
The UK is around 320 years old.
And the examples go on, every country currently in existence didn't exist or was totally differently in the 3 identifying factors (economic, cultural and political) than they were 2000 years ago.

Also worth noticing. That after the modern age (500 to 200 years ago), most countries are still very similar to what they were culturally. Politically there are quite a few changes in countries, but not many have changed radically (unless they were dictatorships) in the last 200 years (late modern age).
Economically is probably the factor that changes more (several countries adopted a different currency, inflation, etc), because economies are always changing and globalization forced many countries to have to adapt their economies (specially the Euro used by many EU members).

Again, having an alternate history based on the real world happening 2000 years in the past or 30 years in the past +70/80 years in the future, is NOT the same.
 
It's also shit alt-history. You'll know shit alt-hist when you see it: huge megabloc nations with the same people, despite the fact that if one sperm bumped into another you'll get a wholly different person, much less alternating a whole geopolitical bloc. There's no way Lizzie I can emerge from a world where the Brits did not suffer Rome; hell, there's no world were the English language and culture can arise if the Normans did not take over a Anglo-Saxon England which itself is squashing a Romano-British Celtic population. Which, if the Romans did not take England, means that population won't exist. They allude to Napoleon existing, this also applies to him. They even still talk about William the Conqueror? Fucking what?

They wouldn't be the Holy Britannic Empire or w/e, at best, they're a 'Empire of Britain' still formed out a celtic body. But as far as I can tell, all that changes is that it takes places in the 1960s with mechs...somehow.
 
Eshanas said:
It's also shit alt-history. You'll know shit alt-hist when you see it: huge megabloc nations with the same people, despite the fact that if one sperm bumped into another you'll get a wholly different person, much less alternating a whole geopolitical bloc. There's no way Lizzie I can emerge from a world where the Brits did not suffer Rome; hell, there's no world were the English language and culture can arise if the Normans did not take over a Anglo-Saxon England which itself is squashing a Romano-British Celtic population. Which, if the Romans did not take England, means that population won't exist. They allude to Napoleon existing, this also applies to him. They even still talk about William the Conqueror? Fucking what?

They wouldn't be the Holy Britannic Empire or w/e, at best, they're a 'Empire of Britain' still formed out a celtic body. But as far as I can tell, all that changes is that it takes places in the 1960s with mechs...somehow.
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Well, I know now to avoid that anime, if I ever feel like watching anime in the future.
 
It's why I'm glad Fallout does the little details of even changing the first man in space, because fuck it, yea, people are going to change. I can still see Chuck Yeager existing and Neil getting to space but the Fallout verse is already so different by 1957 the US and even CHINA are debating who got there first - giving us a lot more info than just spouted in the line, eg, China is going full speed ahead and is either supporting the USSR still or is claiming they got there first - opens up a lot for just one line.

On a side note, honestly in Alt history anyone born the second after the POD has a harder and harder excuse to exist; based on a rough expanding circle or web of locations affected by the POD. If the POD is big and impactful enough, everyone changes. If, say, Yellowstone and not Krakatoa exploded in 1883, then goodbye, Truman and Eleanor Roosevelt.
 
It would be interesting to see what the Soviet Union of Fallout's Universe would look like, however I do not at all trust Bethesda to deliver anything beyond a campy "In Soviet Union....".
 
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