a hypothetical fallout universe question

Remeber one thing - 5 minutes after the Government realizes there is Apocalypse knocking at their door, there are no rules ("If i'm coming down, I'm taking everyone else with me").

I, for one, would nuke every-single-possible-target in the USA, the Oil Derrick being in the first ten.

You see, it is a matter of honor - they bested us with unhonorable methods -> I destroy them to retake my honor. Simple. Crazy. Apocalypse spawning.
 
Unless thay didn't know the derrick was that important.

But, the Chinese, could have nuked it anyway - indeed, it was an insult to their honour, and those damn Asians,... thay never forget (j/k)

On the other hand, I imagine the rig had some SDI defenses or missile shield. It's not fiftyish, but only logical. You couldn't have even approached it if you weren't piloting a "friendly" marine vessel. I imagine it'd have state-of-the-art protection againnst nuclear assaults. And bombers... they'd shut down bombers as well.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Silencer, youre 100% absolutely right!

As for Russia - there is no mention of it in Fallout 1, 2 or Bible, so we can assume it was either out of the picture (something similiar happened to Europe) or was allied/annexed with/by China for even more natural resources in the upcoming war. This makes sense, as AFAIK there are rich oil deposits in Siberia, and president Xin would really not want to have his tanks without fuel.

Actually, the Soviet Union is mentioned in Fallout 1:
http://wiki.duckandcover.cx/index.php?title=Soviet_Union

And remember that there was no NATO in the Fallout world, and the European Commonwealth was also a military pact, unlike the EU - they might not be as allied with the US as they are in the real world.
 
Hehe, I hope that Finland survived at war

Im pretty sure that every place is fucked due lack of resources, international trade and aftermaths of war (nuclear winds and rains, boiling oceans...)
but some small and far countries (like Finland) could survived.

BTW there is wolrd situation map in FO2 that shows red light on every major city. Its sure tells us something...
 
In the event of a World War,everything would be fucked beyond repair.China and Korea would hook up and bomb the devil(that's USA for normal people).Europe fell apart according to the story.Im curious about the middleeast though.I know they would have gotten a large piece of the action.Surely they tried to blow the hell out of USA as well.Who knows? Maybe the Fallout creatores didn't mean for us the examine the game so closely,heh?
 
I bet most of Africa would carry on as normal, they're to busy fighting their small civil wars with sticks and molotov coctails and AK's to notice world war 3 :freak:
 
"Sticks and Molotov cocktails" indeed.

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I know that Fallout has almost nothing to do with realism, but according to American WW3 scenarios from the sixties, a nuclear war between the Soviet Union would probably look like this:

1) A full-scale nuclear war (started by the soviet limited strike) variant
a) The USSR launches its bombs in a limited strike - only the most important military and industrial targets are hit. Europe is almost left intact.
b) The USA launches a counterstrike on military and industrial targets in the USSR.
c) The soviets send a message that they want to stop the hostilities. If the Americans won't agree, they will launch a full scale attack against civil targets in USA.
d) At this point the most destroyed countries would be USA and then USSR. The Soviets proposed a cease-fire because after the war is over, they would start a race to take over Europe.
e) The next phase would depend on the decision of the american president - but we are Fallout fans and want a "full nuclear war scenario". So America gets nuked badly, and so does Soviet Union.
f) And what about Europe? If the Soviets wold belive that they could tak e over Europe after the war, they would hit only military tagets. If not, well - the Eiffel Tower (and the rest of Paris, and London, and Berlin, and other cities) goes bye-bye.

2) A full-scale nuclear war (started with a limited strike launched by the America to prevent the Soviet strike)
a) Basicaly as above, but USA gets hit less then the USSR, the chances of a full scale war (initiated by the Soviets) is bigger, and thus Europe can get a bigger piece of the action.

3) A conventional war escalation to nuclear war variant
a) Turmoil in one of the border (or near border) countries, probably Italy, Hungary, DDR nad Poland, or less possibly in the Balkans starts a conventional war. The Soviet Union launches a full scale armored attack on Western Germany. And starts wining.
b) In this situation, according to the NATO doctrine (obviously opposed by the Germans) eastern parts of DDR and western parts of Poland get nuked with tactical warheads to destroy russian suply lines.
c) The soviets suspected this and were experimenting with the use of air bridges to supply whole armored divisions (and by "coincidence" all divisions stationing in DDR had a full ABC protection). And now they have a good occasion to use tactical nukes agains NATO. Basicaly, at this point, Germany and a part of France is probably reduced to glowing rubble.
d) Then, one of the sides would probably warn the other side, that if they use more tactical nukes, it will launch a strategic nuclear strike.
e) It could end with a nuclear cease-fire... that probably would be broken if one of the sides would start loosing.
f) Of course the result is a limited nuclear war with a high probability of turning into a full-scale war.
g) And Europe is basicaly nuclear rubble.

Unfortunately, this scenario does not fit in the Fallout universe, as the USA isolated itself from the rest of the World.
This means, that the most probable scenario of war in Europe would look like this:

4) Conventional soviet strike in Europe; nuclear war triggered by the nuclear exchange between USA and China.
a) The Soviets, although marely a shadow of their initial power, want to take over Europe, which is devided and suffered badly during the resource wars.
b) The European countries quickly understand, that theye are in big truble. Probably after the fall of Germany the UK and France would try to make an alliance; their only hope is to cripple russian suply lines in Eastern Germany with a tactical nuclear strike. The soviets haven't got enough resources to launch an air bridge.
c) Soviets launch thier tacticals and state, that further use of French and British nukes will result in a soviet strategic strike against targets in those countries.
d) The offensive continues, although it goes badly as the soviet supply lines are almost nonexistant. The war turns into a stalemate.
e) During this stalemate, both sides prepare for a nuclear exchange...
f) which occurs when one of the sides, China or USA, launches their bombs. Probably American bombs were not aimed at Russia and Europe, because it would make no sense; instead, Russia got hit by China because of a conventional conflict between those countries.
g) Soviets understand that they are already f*cked, so they probably launch a attack against Europe - they hope, that their forces dispatched somewhere in Europe can take advantage of the fact that Western Europe gets bombed by them, and that soviet goverment and at least a bit of their economy can survive the war.
h) Eventually, Europe is FUBAR, Russia is FUBAR. The worst hit teritories are Eastern Germany and a bit of Western Poland, second are Western Germany and Eastern France, most of Britain and the European parts of Russia get bombed by strategic warheads and are rubble. Italy, Spain and Portugal are probably less destroyed.
 
"Strange game. The only winning move is not to play"

Africa, Southern America and Asia survived then.
 
Gerard Heime said:
The Soviets proposed a cease-fire because after the war is over, they would start a race to take over Europe.
Taking Europe is more a sort of sportive event then?


If the Soviets wold belive that they could tak e over Europe after the war, they would hit only military tagets. If not, well - the Eiffel Tower (and the rest of Paris, and London, and Berlin, and other cities) goes bye-bye.
So... after the real war, the Soviets either conquer or destroy Europe for the heck of it. Sort of an epilogue.
 
Claw said:
Gerard Heime said:
The Soviets proposed a cease-fire because after the war is over, they would start a race to take over Europe.
Taking Europe is more a sort of sportive event then?

Well, one could say it's the "in-thing" to do...
 
|Ausir| said:
Mikael Grizzly said:
Silencer, youre 100% absolutely right!

As for Russia - there is no mention of it in Fallout 1, 2 or Bible, so we can assume it was either out of the picture (something similiar happened to Europe) or was allied/annexed with/by China for even more natural resources in the upcoming war. This makes sense, as AFAIK there are rich oil deposits in Siberia, and president Xin would really not want to have his tanks without fuel.

Actually, the Soviet Union is mentioned in Fallout 1:
http://wiki.duckandcover.cx/index.php?title=Soviet_Union

And remember that there was no NATO in the Fallout world, and the European Commonwealth was also a military pact, unlike the EU - they might not be as allied with the US as they are in the real world.

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|Ausir| said:
Mikael Grizzly said:
Silencer, youre 100% absolutely right!

As for Russia - there is no mention of it in Fallout 1, 2 or Bible, so we can assume it was either out of the picture (something similiar happened to Europe) or was allied/annexed with/by China for even more natural resources in the upcoming war. This makes sense, as AFAIK there are rich oil deposits in Siberia, and president Xin would really not want to have his tanks without fuel.

Actually, the Soviet Union is mentioned in Fallout 1:
http://wiki.duckandcover.cx/index.php?title=Soviet_Union

And remember that there was no NATO in the Fallout world, and the European Commonwealth was also a military pact, unlike the EU - they might not be as allied with the US as they are in the real world.

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No it isn't. It's a DNS error.

Go here instead:
http://vault.duckandcover.cx/index.php?title=Soviet_Union
 
Claw said:
Taking Europe is more a sort of sportive event then?
You can say so. The basic soviet strategy was to isolate the USA from the rest of the world and take over the most developed regions, like Europe (basicaly by waging war or starting a red revolution). That would end in a long, long armaments race that the States would obviously loose.
A invasion of the States was and is impossible, so the only way to destroy them was a economical blockade (Napoleon had a similar idea, see the continental blockade of 1806).
And removing the American presence in Western Europe (or the possibility of it) eliminates the threat of a conventionaly attacking the heart of the Soviet Union (that is the European part of the USSR).
Its also a matter of idealogy. The Soviets belived, that they should bring the revolution to those countres, which were once the birthplace of socialism - like France and Germany.


So... after the real war, the Soviets either conquer or destroy Europe for the heck of it. Sort of an epilogue.
Well, almost. They would try to limit the damage done, but only if they were sure to win. If not, they would use nukes to change the odds. If USSR would have been hit heavily by nukes, they would launch a full scale attack against Europe just to be sure, that Europe isn't a threat to the commies.
 
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