Add Angry Joe to the people who are helping to kill our franchise

I quite like Angry Joe,
and Fallout 4 seems a pretty decent franchise entry*

*admittedly only having played FO3/NV/FO4 as I gave up on pixelly isometric games in the last century, even if they were good in their day...
 
I quite like Angry Joe,
and Fallout 4 seems a pretty decent franchise entry*

*admittedly only having played FO3/NV/FO4 as I gave up on pixelly isometric games in the last century, even if they were good in their day...

How is it a decent entry into the franchise?
 
How is it a decent entry into the franchise?

ok:
  • World is gorgeous.
  • Perk system is improved as is voiced protagonist, both improvements.
  • Quests are ok, main quest interesting if not fully realised
    (I like the 3 faction solution)
  • Radiant quests can be a little tiresome but no worse than Skyrim.
  • Settlement building is entertaining.
    I built 2 pool tables and a bowling alley :-)
  • Power Armor is an improved/interesting mechanic.
Spent several hundred hours in this world, so seems pretty decent to me.
Of the 3 Fallout games I've played it stacks up against the other 2 on the whole.
 
ok:
World is gorgeous.
I agree it looks good, but it lacks any real depth. Far too many boarded up buildings and it lacks any type of underground network that was present in the previous Bethesda Fallout.

ok:
Perk system is improved as is voiced protagonist, both improvements.
Having a voiced protagonists is a limiting factor, wheres the voice option for my crazy mad scientist character? The Perk system was a good idea done bad. Most perks could have been wrapped up into catch all style perks like cowboy/grunt and a lot of the perks are better suited as traits or don't make sense; second rank of local leader to make a fire to cook food.

ok:
Quests are ok, main quest interesting if not fully realised
(I like the 3 faction solution)
Radiant quests can be a little tiresome but no worse than Skyrim.

Radiant quests take up far too much of what is considered faction content, and of those factions only the BOS and institute feel like they were finished.


ok:
Settlement building is entertaining.
I built 2 pool tables and a bowling alley :-)
Power Armor is an improved/interesting mechanic.
I never played settlement builder games and the horrible UI in FO4 did nothing to make want to go find one to start on. I agree PA is done better, but how early you acquire it and the over abundance of cores kind of defeats any progress on the design.
 
ok:
  • World is gorgeous.
  • Perk system is improved as is voiced protagonist, both improvements.
  • Quests are ok, main quest interesting if not fully realised
    (I like the 3 faction solution)
  • Radiant quests can be a little tiresome but no worse than Skyrim.
  • Settlement building is entertaining.
    I built 2 pool tables and a bowling alley :-)
  • Power Armor is an improved/interesting mechanic.
Spent several hundred hours in this world, so seems pretty decent to me.
Of the 3 Fallout games I've played it stacks up against the other 2 on the whole.

  • There is nothing to do in the world. It looks pretty and that's about it.
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  • The quests in Fallout 4 are awful. In Fallout 3 and New Vegas there were multiple ways to do quests. In Fallout 4, you have to do quests in one way most of the time.
  • Radiant quests are just poorly done filler, to hide the fact that Fallout 4 has very little quests to do.
  • Settlement building is boring and the mechanics for it are bad. You will have buildings floating in the air because the ground is uneven. It is there to hide the fact that are only 3 or 4 nonplayer made settlements in the game.
 
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It was a shame the underground didn't connect up, though FO3's underground was essentially the same tunnels over and over.

Your points are not unreasonable, but essentially i guess I just had more fun with the game than you did so what are small issue to me may be a big deal to you. Fair enough.
 
Ah, of course. Bethesda and their famed dependence on modders to fix their shit.

As a console player I prefer games that work 'out of the box'
but I guess we will soon get to enjoy some less graphically demanding elements of the 'mod experience' :-)
 
  • World is gorgeous.
It was a dull themepark with monsters.
Perk system is improved as is voiced protagonist, both improvements.
I found the perk system worse than the ones in Fallout 1 and 2, I found most perks useless and a lot were nothing but percentage increases. Couldn't you do that from raising your skill level--oh wait nevermind.
Voice protagonists sucked because the voice acting was terrible and it means less dialogue/dialogue choices.
Quests are ok,
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Repetitive radiant quests with some really bad ones like "Kid in a Fridge" and "Cabot House", fucking insulting to Fallout.
Radiant quests can be a little tiresome but no worse than Skyrim.
Were always tiresome and stupid in both of those games, not that either were good to begin with.
Settlement building is entertaining.
Define "entertaining".
It was a shallow addition with no consequences and adding nothing good to gameplay besides building trash huts and being a time sink.
 
The perk system is a complete shambles in F4.
The voice protagonist doesn't work for a Fallout game, let alone a Bethesda game.
The World is largely uninteresting, this time I didn't care for exploring that much. Even in F3, exploration was done pretty well. The map fit around the gameplay nicely in my opinion, and everything seemed rather spaced out.
Settlement Building could be fun, if they told how the fucking thing worked. Instead we get "Oh, build this" and a tap on the back. I would be interested in the whole mapping out trades routes and linking them together. But I didn't know how and whenever I try to get anyone to do anything in my Settlements, they refuse to do something.
There really is no Good/Bad choice. Everything makes you out to be the good guy. At least Skyrim allowed for some sort of diversity for that sort of thing.
The mixing levels are atrocious. I can't listen to the radio because I can't hear a damn thing of what anyone says. This is possibly the worst mixing in any game I've ever played. How do you fuck something up that crappy budget games can get right. Hell, Deadly Premonition got the mixing right and that was made on a fraction of the budget that Fallout 4 was made.
Enemies are bullet sponges. Even my most powerful weapon, it takes ages to kill one raider. I end up wasting all my ammo on a few people. I like my games being hard, when it takes half a round to take down one person, I have a problem.
The dialogue system is the worst thing since cancer. In fact, just throw in dialogue altogether in F4. Even F3 got some things right when it came to dialogue, it at least functioned properly. And this is coming from someone who defended it when Mass Effect used it. But just because one company uses it, doesn't mean Bethesda should emulate it.
The Story is wasted potential. And that's my biggest problem with Fallout 4. There was much potential to make a good game, a great game. If they tried, it could have gone down being one of the best Bethesda games to date.
The story could have gone further than it did. There were good parts of the story, but they were mostly in the first half. The second half falls apart so much that I sat there and thought to myself "I may as well get through this" and I shouldn't think this way about a Fallout game. Even as its stupidest moments, I at least wanted to go through F3 seeing what Bethesda has to offer us. I at least wanted to experience it.
Yet F4 just slacks through, it doesn't so much end as it does begin. And the most insulting part, the one thing I can't forgive, we don't even get a proper ending. It just ends with the same slideshow, doesn't even change depending what Faction you choose. And for that, I'm going to be extremely vary when purchasing a new Bethesda game.
I went into Fallout 4 expecting disappointment. I bought it on launch, with the season pass cause it's Fallout and I knew I'd get the DLC eventually for it. Yet even with my low expectations, I was still disappointed.

But at the same time, I still have some sort of fun with it. It's just a fun time waster to try and find power armour or to wipe out a building. It's like junk food. It holds no value than to think ones life is too long and I want to cut in short by a few hours. Bethesda really need a long hard look in the mirror and question if this what they want to be, a fairly average games company that released games that get worse.
Playing through Morrowind now makes me realise they had talent in that company, did they just rid of all the talent?
 
ok:
  • World is gorgeous.
  • Perk system is improved as is voiced protagonist, both improvements.
  • Quests are ok, main quest interesting if not fully realised
    (I like the 3 faction solution)
  • Radiant quests can be a little tiresome but no worse than Skyrim.
  • Settlement building is entertaining.
    I built 2 pool tables and a bowling alley :-)
  • Power Armor is an improved/interesting mechanic.
Spent several hundred hours in this world, so seems pretty decent to me.
Of the 3 Fallout games I've played it stacks up against the other 2 on the whole.
The Commonwealth maybe Bethesda's most underwhelming world to date. There is no real depth to it. It feels hollow.

The voice protagonist is by far the worst thing about this game at lest for me. Mainly because almost every single voiced protagonist in a RPG has had the personality and emotional depth of a wet brick.The Sole Survivor is no exception.

The Perk System is a clusterfuck with most perks being useless.

So Cabot House and Kid in a Fridge were okay then? Yeah 3 faction solution that all have the same ending and the main quest was as interesting as 3's which is funny because the quest and story for Fallout 4 is the same as Fallout 3. Almost a carbon copy clone just replace the dad with the son.

The settlement building is a badly implemented gimmick that the mod Wasteland Defense did better. What sucks the most about the settlement building gimmick is that Bethesda forces you to do it instead of making it optional.

The Power Armor is the only thing I agree with you with. Too bad that it craps on the lore.
 
Just saw AJ's review on FO4 again and I was pissed off by how he glorifies this game. I was kinda hoping he would get angry at the watered down RPG elements in a F***ING RPG!!!! But nope, he's a mainstream trash nowadays.

AJ's a hack for quite a few years now, only focusing on his mediocre movie reviews that nobody with half a brain should check out in the first place. How far he has fallen, that pathetic washout.

And now with that god-awful SWTOR- I mean Fallout 76 coming soon, you can be sure other hacks like AJ would continue the support the mainstream trash like these, unfortunately, and lead the other blind sheep down with them.
 
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