"Advanced Power Armour Mk II"

naossano said:
In game confirmation?
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Seeming in-game shock and disbelief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DShvhhu0xrE&t=49s

Note also that after he gets the results from signal trace, he no longer considers them Enclave. AFAIK, the Enclave did have administrative access to the remaining functional nodes on the Vault-Tec computer network... Including all of the Pipboys. The intro for Fallout 2 takes place just after their assault team sent the official 'All Clear' signal to Vault 13.
 
That doesn't mean there is no other outpost, like Navarro. For sure the oil rig seems to be the hq as the president is there, but we don't have a list of all their manned facilities and we shouldn't have access to that kind of classified information.
 
naossano said:
That doesn't mean there is no other outpost, like Navarro. For sure the oil rig seems to be the hq as the president is there, but we don't have a list of all their manned facilities and we shouldn't have access to that kind of classified information.
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New Vegas effectually retconned the Enclave as having a number of vertibird refueling stations across the southwest. So we know they had more bases then the Oil Rig and Navarro.

IIRC, the Fallout Bible also mentions that Doc Henry at one point got assigned to another Enclave base that was neither the Oil rig, or Navarro, so there is that as well(though it is only dubiously canon)
 
naossano said:
That doesn't mean there is no other outpost, like Navarro. For sure the oil rig seems to be the hq as the president is there, but we don't have a list of all their manned facilities and we shouldn't have access to that kind of classified information.
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I think it does; because Navarro was the closest base, and most likely their first toe-hold on the continent... and it wasn't even staffed yet. The Operator was confused. Had there been other bases, (Think how far Poseidon Oil is from the rig), would he not have had them deal it? Or deal with their own screw-ups... assuming he thought them Enclave?


As far as Obsidian goes... anything they could add, was done on the Zenimax leash. Personally, I'm fine just ignoring anything past Fallout 2 that contradicts the first two established games. :newevil:
 
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That specific radio operator is not almighty. He might not be aware of all enclave operations.
 
naossano said:
That specific radio operator is not almighty. He might not be aware of all enclave operations.
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This.

One should never take anything any NPC says in a game seriously, because they are just people, limited by everything from biases, to simple ignorance.
 
naossano said:
That specific radio operator is not almighty. He might not be aware of all enclave operations.
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Then again, it can be easily retconned that he was right about being no other Enclave outposts so no winners or certainty there (plus I'd prefer what Obsidian did with the Enclave Remnants, it was more respectful than 3's interpretation of the Enclave).
 
naossano said:
That specific radio operator is not almighty. He might not be aware of all enclave operations.
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I think that's awfully convenient assumption. This is a communications officer; his job is sending and receiving communications. Would it not be an implicit requirement to know the existence of other bases ~if not precisely how to communicate with them? The mere fact of knowing other bases exist, would preclude being shocked that someone he believed to be Enclave personnel could be found on the mainland.

Far more likely [IMO] is simply that the Enclave was in fact ~an Enclave, as so named... and existed only on the rig, until they founded Navarro. (Which was still incomplete at the time in Fallout 2)
 
The Enclave started to have operations 0n the mainland years before the chosen one left his cave. They didn't rendered Navarro operational in a day, doctor henry didn't left them five minutes ago, it took time to force Redding miners to dig at mariposa, and it took time to experiment on frank horrigan afterward.

You put to much in a reaction of a character that don't tell much about the whole organization.
- he could be surprised be cause he knows who is outside, because those outside use signals, because he is not supposed to monitor outside conversation, because you are outside enclave facilities.
- he could not be aware of the operations outside. Not enough level of clearance. He could be supposed to monitor other operations.
- the mainland radio may not have enough range or clear signal. He could be surprised that someone from the mainland has a good enough signal.
- also, the guy is an Easter egg, that 95% of the players (that don't have told or walkthrough at hand ) are more likely to miss. Not someone used to decipher the whole picture.

At best, the guy could give you hint, but you cannot build your canon around him. And even if you could, once again, he doesn't even say why he is surprised that you are on the ground.
 
95%? Where do you have that number from? If I remember right, back when playing Fo2 for the very first time, I had the conversation in the first go.
 
Same here.

naossano said:
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All plausible, but I bet we are thinking of the canon differently. Where you might be extrapolating potentialities... I am thinking that the writers probably weren't, and am only considering what's seen in the game; [and ignoring new fiction that contradicts it, and always have].
 
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Lexx said:
95%? Where do you have that number from? If I remember right, back when playing Fo2 for the very first time, I had the conversation in the first go.
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You are in a facilities that showers you with radiation ( especially if you can't use the robot), doing an optional quest, taking the option to deal with the factory, not to attack ghouls, using the computer, not manually proceed, having a character build that allow to do it, trying to find a sequence that would allow to proceed, you expect to repair or sabotage the facility and go away from the likelyness of an extra toe and you have no way to expect communicating with an enclave member at that point ( or even knowing who they are). So if you don't have tips or walkthrough in hand, you aren't much likely to communicate with the guy.
 
You don't have to deal with the facility at all and still can get the video feed sequence. For that you only have to hit 4 nodes in the right order and if I remember right, you only require an intelligence of at least 4. Radiation is not in the terminal room itself.
 
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