Age Cap

We could always go the other way and make it so if you can survive till age thirteen you earn the right to live otherwise you are hunted down and killed. (just throwing out this little extremity to put the shoe on the other foot, so to say.)
 
I think John B. is losing it. When he joined NMA, he was still fine. But it's been down-hill since that DR2 video :D
 
MutantScalper said:
About a year ago I had bronchitis so I decided to go see a doc about it, was almost cured though so no biggie but went anyway. Had to wait around 5-6 hours to get to see the doc. These hospitals should seriously start to organise their systems better, design a quicker system, hire more docs if needed.

And no I'm not in favour of final solution to old people, fatties, invalids, etc.

No offense, but this is why there are problems with the Health Care systems, people going into the hospital for mundane things their family practitioner could have easily handled. And probably would've taken less than an hour.

Same as with the OP going into the hospital with a wrist sprain and complaining about the wait. Lord, what's wrong with people.
 
Faceless_Stranger said:
I didn't know it was a sprain at the time... gaw

It doesn't matter, in the end you pointlessly wasted time of hospital staff. No more healthcare for you kiddie!
 
Faceless_Stranger said:
I didn't really waste their time, because I never got a chance to see them
Because they saw they had more important things to do than treat your arm. So this discussion ended here?

Cool because I think the accumulated knowledge and personality of a lifetime can truly rock, and it is sad to see them go.
 
Shoveler said:
MutantScalper said:
About a year ago I had bronchitis so I decided to go see a doc about it, was almost cured though so no biggie but went anyway. Had to wait around 5-6 hours to get to see the doc. These hospitals should seriously start to organise their systems better, design a quicker system, hire more docs if needed.

And no I'm not in favour of final solution to old people, fatties, invalids, etc.

No offense, but this is why there are problems with the Health Care systems, people going into the hospital for mundane things their family practitioner could have easily handled. And probably would've taken less than an hour.

Same as with the OP going into the hospital with a wrist sprain and complaining about the wait. Lord, what's wrong with people.

Well over here (Finland) we don't have a 'family practicioner' system, whatever that is. You get sick, you go to a local health care station, don't know the exact translation. I was new around the place I live in back then so I wasn't sure where my local health care station was and besides they were closing in about a half hour so I figured I'll go to the main hospital.

I'd had high fever (way over 38 deg Celsius) for about a week and was getting kinda worried so I think I had a valid reason to go there. About two days later I began to get better. Had I known about the waiting period to see the doc I wouldn't have gone though.
 
Faceless_Stranger said:
I didn't kinow it was a sprain at the time... gaw

Still, go to the family practitioner, they write you a referral for an x-ray, and send you to a place that, that's all they do is x-rays, and you'll know what's going on with your wrist. Take like 1.5 hours for the doc and the x-ray. If it's broken, you may have to go to the hospital, if it's not you don't have to kill 6-8 hours of your life in the ER for nothing.
 
MutantScalper said:
Shoveler said:
MutantScalper said:
About a year ago I had bronchitis so I decided to go see a doc about it, was almost cured though so no biggie but went anyway. Had to wait around 5-6 hours to get to see the doc. These hospitals should seriously start to organise their systems better, design a quicker system, hire more docs if needed.

And no I'm not in favour of final solution to old people, fatties, invalids, etc.

No offense, but this is why there are problems with the Health Care systems, people going into the hospital for mundane things their family practitioner could have easily handled. And probably would've taken less than an hour.

Same as with the OP going into the hospital with a wrist sprain and complaining about the wait. Lord, what's wrong with people.

Well over here (Finland) we don't have a 'family practicioner' system, whatever that is. You get sick, you go to a local health care station, don't know the exact translation. I was new around the place I live in back then so I wasn't sure where my local health care station was and besides they were closing in about a half hour so I figured I'll go to the main hospital.

I'd had high fever (way over 38 deg Celsius) for about a week and was getting kinda worried so I think I had a valid reason to go there. About two days later I began to get better. Had I known about the waiting period to see the doc I wouldn't have gone though.

You don't have a doctor you can see, or take a sick child(fever or something lame) to? Just the local aid station where you'll see whatever doctor is around? Doesn't seem so great. The Family Practitioner "system" is in place to field the easy, non-emergency type stuff. Usually a doctor of your choice, someone you like and trust, and knows your medical history and family history. To think you have to go to the HOSPITAL for a cold, or bronchitis is just....depressing.

And in regard to getting better 2 days later, letting your immune system do it's job is always preferable. My non-medical experience tells me whenever I get a nasty cold/fever I have several sick-free years in front of me. Cool how that works, probably just luck though heh.
 
Well we have free health care so it makes sense to use it instead of some 'pay out the ass' - system they have in the States.

Now that I know where the the local health care unit is I don't have to go the hospital. Not that it made a big difference anyway.

And about the immune system doing it's job, thats kinda what did happen since I didn't take the antibiotics, only a recipe for a anti-bronchitis cough medicine.
 
MutantScalper said:
Well we have free health care so it makes sense to use it instead of some 'pay out the ass' - system they have in the States.

Now that I know where the the local health care unit is I don't have to go the hospital. Not that it made a big difference anyway.

And about the immune system doing it's job, thats kinda what did happen since I didn't take the antibiotics, only a recipe for a anti-bronchitis cough medicine.

That's the problem when it's "free" (hah!), everyone uses it, and you'll wait, and wait, and wait. Everyone with a hang-nail will get treated at the HOSPITAL. Everyone with a runny nose, will get treated at the HOSPITAL. Craziness. Funny that you mention the 'pay out the ass' system, plenty of "free" (hah!) health care going on around here too. You get what you 'pay' for after all. heh

I know, I know here comes the inevitable our system is better rant.
Never ends well for anyone.
 
Maybe it is because I live in the United States, but I cannot imagine living in a country where I would have to wait so long to get medical stuff done...

At least here, if you have insurance, you can go to your family practitioner and get minor stuff done in about 15 minutes or so....and the emergency rooms are for emergencies so not too much crowding...
 
Verd1234 said:
Maybe it is because I live in the United States, but I cannot imagine living in a country where I would have to wait so long to get medical stuff done...

At least here, if you have insurance, you can go to your family practitioner and get minor stuff done in about 15 minutes or so....and the emergency rooms are for emergencies so not too much crowding...
But if you don't have insurance... shudders
 
Faceless_Stranger said:
Verd1234 said:
Maybe it is because I live in the United States, but I cannot imagine living in a country where I would have to wait so long to get medical stuff done...

At least here, if you have insurance, you can go to your family practitioner and get minor stuff done in about 15 minutes or so....and the emergency rooms are for emergencies so not too much crowding...
But if you don't have insurance... shudders

If you can't afford insurance, in MOST cases you can get some version of Medicaid, which costs you nothing, and still have all the benefits of the privately insured. MOST of the 20-30 million uninsured Americans fall into this category. However, several million of those probably choose to be uninsured, due to laziness or choosing to pay as you go. IE, if I'm young and not sick, why pay for insurance. Which I can understand.

"Free" health care is great, until you run out of other people's money. I'd rather pay, then have it taxed right out of my paycheck to the tune of 50% or more.
 
Faceless_Stranger said:
Verd1234 said:
Maybe it is because I live in the United States, but I cannot imagine living in a country where I would have to wait so long to get medical stuff done...

At least here, if you have insurance, you can go to your family practitioner and get minor stuff done in about 15 minutes or so....and the emergency rooms are for emergencies so not too much crowding...
But if you don't have insurance... shudders
It's a federal law in the USA that ERs have to treat anyone who comes in with a problem, regardless whether or not they have insurance. That's why lots of hospitals in the southwest have gone out of business. They're flooded with illegals who have no money and no insurance, but they have to treat them anyway and eat the cost.

Contrary to the propaganda, people without insurance do get health care in the U.S. I've seen it happen many times. As an example, I have some farmer neighbors who don't have health insurance. One of their children contracted a life-threatening e.coli infection, and had to be taken to a hospital in Minneapolis for over a month. For starters, they sold some land to one of their neighbors, who sold it back once the child had recovered. More interestingly, the father was waiting in the hospital one day when a stranger walked up to him and asked him if it was his son who was sick. He said yes, and the stranger handed him an envelope and walked away. The envelope contained $10,000.

It happens all the time.
 
UniversalWolf said:
two groups consume about 75% of the resources. One is old people (for obvious reasons) and the other is fat people

mmm tasty fat people...

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