Anarchy, philosophy, whatnot

[Edge386]

The fact that your response to my question, "Why doesn't the mainstream media show us these horrible pictures of the destruction we are supporting?" was a link to the exact pictures i was talking about not showing the real destruction of human life is further proof that the mainstream media only shows "tasteful" pictures of the destruction.

Considering i have had these feelings come from my heart for so many years in contrast to the collective manipulated, i understand almost entirely how i get the responses i do.

Per - Could i get a response from you as to the intent of your "fix" ? Do you believe anarchy is evil? I believe we don't trust ourselves enough to rely on only ourselves for making important decisions in life. I believe that we don't trust ourselves in this way because people like to inject fear into our hearts rather than hope and patience. I believe we are totally capable of increasing our consciousness to a more powerful and peaceful vibration to interact with each other in the ways of our true nature. In observing nature, there is no species other than homo sapien sapiens that organize mass attacks against all forms of nature. Nature in itself is not self destructive, it is self constructive and self maintaining. We are the only species to try and alter this state of unity. Still, no matter how far we try to deviate from our actual purpose, we will simply come closer to understanding how we've been going all wrong. When the Mayan calendar ends, you will see what i and many others have been talking about. One way or the other, but i would trust my heart before i trust my conscious ego.

For future reference, please do not take words i have spoken, then manipulate them. That itself is an act of fear manifesting in aggressive manipulation. If someone gets pissed at what i have to say, it is because they are simply acknowledging the merits of my claims from their own spirit, and battling against it with their manipulated logic. Maynard James Keenan found an amazing way to understand yourself. He asks himself, "What do i hate about you? What would i change about you?" then he replaces the word "you" with the word "me" and he has found many profound truths.

 

[Per]

Considering i have had these feelings come from my heart for so many years in contrast to the collective manipulated,

You don't think a sentence like that needs to come with annotations?

Per - Could i get a response from you as to the intent of your "fix" ?

Yes, it was a joke referencing a well-known movie.

Do you believe anarchy is evil?

Yes, insomuch as it leads to might making right. Everyone that ever talks starry-eyed about anarchy eventually starts listing how people will and won't behave in their envisioned utopia. Problem is, you can't decide that. As soon as you want to dictate other "important decisions" than your own, you need constitutions and systems of enforcement, and then you're not talking anarchy any more. But of course, all that is going to take care of itself automagically.

In observing nature, there is no species other than homo sapien sapiens that organize mass attacks against all forms of nature. Nature in itself is not self destructive, it is self constructive and self maintaining.

What? No, it isn't.

We are the only species to try and alter this state of unity.

What are you even talking about?

When the Mayan calendar ends,

Oh. I see. Nice talking to you.

 

[Sander]

The fact that your response to my question, "Why doesn't the mainstream media show us these horrible pictures of the destruction we are supporting?" was a link to the exact pictures i was talking about not showing the real destruction of human life is further proof that the mainstream media only shows "tasteful" pictures of the destruction.

Ah yes, because they don't show the real truth until they show injured children.
I find it interesting that a website showing pictures of destroyed buildings (sickeningly comparing them to World War 2) and injured children as better than a website that shows destroyed buildings, but also talks about ending the violence and reports on the reasons and current ongoing events.
Basically, all that website is doing is parading dead children in front of people's noses to guilt or disgust them into hating Israel.

Good going with the reason, there!

Considering i have had these feelings come from my heart for so many years in contrast to the collective manipulated, i understand almost entirely how i get the responses i do.

Mbwahahahaha.
I love how egocentric you are. It has a decidedly emo and misunderstood-teen-to-change-the-world-feel to it when someone exclaims that he is unique and completely unlike anyone else.
Why did you even mention this? How is it relevant?

For future reference, please do not take words i have spoken, then manipulate them. That itself is an act of fear manifesting in aggressive manipulation. If someone gets pissed at what i have to say, it is because they are simply acknowledging the merits of my claims from their own spirit, and battling against it with their manipulated logic. Maynard James Keenan found an amazing way to understand yourself. He asks himself, "What do i hate about you? What would i change about you?" then he replaces the word "you" with the word "me" and he has found many profound truths.

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Tool? You're talking about Tool's singer as a related mind?
Heh. I think my emo and teen comment was more appropriate than I thought.

I also love this weird form of psychology that doesn't work at all. 'Oh, you're pissed off because of what I said, well that's just because what I said is true and you can't acknowledge it.'
Haha!
I get angry at people consistently claiming that 1+1 is 3 as well. Does that mean I know they're right as well?

 

[Edge386]

I didn't say i was the only one that felt these ways. I also believe that i am not any more special, or any better than you. I still get angry and frustrated, and i try to not let these things form a bias. That wasn't an egocentric excuse, it was a recognition that i am no better. How can i understand without personal experience?

All your arguments express a form of logic, i'm not going to debate you on that and try to debunk the fact that you possess logic. I'm going to ask, to what end will your direction of this logic take you?

Are you not being egocentric when you immediately dismiss my observations as wrong and boast yours as right? Did you attempt reply in any other form besides directly attacking what i have to say? Do you actually know anything about TooL? Have you heard of Carl G Jung? What about Alex Grey? These people are proof i am not the only one who feels and directs logic in similar ways. They are no more unique than you or me, no less unique.

I agree with Ghandi when he said Western Civilization "...would be a good idea."

"Don't ask the question, ask why you are going to ask the question"

The questions i asked have a purpose, to allow you to choose or deny. Think what you wish, please. I am just a messenger, burn them as you wish, in your memory, your heart, your soul, or the material world.

I am a very impatient with the world, and i would love to see metamorphasis happen immediately, transmutation if you will. This impatience lends to me to manifest directly my thoughts and feelings, and often misinterpretation. I apologize for my crude attempts failing horribly, and ask to be forgiven.

It seems i have directed this topic off topic so i won't participate any longer, as it only seems to disrupt.

 

[Lord 342]

Edge: Nice to have extremists from both sides. It makes for a sick sense of balance. Welcome.

Per: I have the entire Notebooks of Lazarus Long as a textfile on my main PC (I'm on a notebook now) and I can email it to you. It's only a few KB if you're still stuck in 56K hell. But I know the quotes of which you speak and could hardly agree more. Anarchy, like Communism, looks grand on paper and works fine in small, willing communities. But as soon as you get the one greedy (normal?) individual who doens't want to play nice, the entire system hits the toilet bowl faster than taco shit.

 

[Sander]

I didn't say i was the only one that felt these ways. I also believe that i am not any more special, or any better than you. I still get angry and frustrated, and i try to not let these things form a bias. That wasn't an egocentric excuse, it was a recognition that i am no better. How can i understand without personal experience?

I seem to recall you saying "Considering i have had these feelings come from my heart for so many years in contrast to the collective manipulated". Does this not mean that you feel you are not manipulated, and hence better?

All your arguments express a form of logic, i'm not going to debate you on that and try to debunk the fact that you possess logic. I'm going to ask, to what end will your direction of this logic take you?

Erm, truth, presumably. Since, you know, logic....
Oh, wait, hah! You adhere to phylosophical stuff about logic not being the only road to truth.
Heh.

Are you not being egocentric when you immediately dismiss my observations as wrong and boast yours as right?

Since I don't recall drawing attention to myself or

Did you attempt reply in any other form besides directly attacking what i have to say?

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What? I disagree with you. What should I do, support your statements?

Do you actually know anything about TooL?

Obviously.

Have you heard of Carl G Jung?

Of course.

What about Alex Grey?

No, although after looking him up, I must say that new-age artist would indeed be quite befitting of your thinking.

These people are proof i am not the only one who feels and directs logic in similar ways. They are no more unique than you or me, no less unique.

Yes, that would be rather obvious.

I agree with Ghandi when he said Western Civilization "...would be a good idea."

"Don't ask the question, ask why you are going to ask the question"

The questions i asked have a purpose, to allow you to choose or deny. Think what you wish, please. I am just a messenger, burn them as you wish, in your memory, your heart, your soul, or the material world.

Oh, right, you're here to provoke thought and inspire us all to look closer.
Heh.

I am a very impatient with the world, and i would love to see metamorphasis happen immediately, transmutation if you will. This impatience lends to me to manifest directly my thoughts and feelings, and often misinterpretation. I apologize for my crude attempts failing horribly, and ask to be forgiven.

Ehe. More pompousness.
Somehwat reminds me of myself a few years back.
Could you not just have said 'Yes, I want to change the world' instead of...this?

It seems i have directed this topic off topic so i won't participate any longer, as it only seems to disrupt.

Don't worry, I'll just split this.

 

[Briosafreak]

Why is this split?

 

[Sander]

Because it was originally split from the Lebanon v. Israel thread. However, I split a bit too much, and in an attempt to fix it, wanted to re-merge the 3 posts that were superfluous here.

However, for some fucked-up reason, I can't merge things anymore. So I'm now waiting for someone else to fix it. Heh.

 

[Edge386]

Sander, repeating the execution of one word contradictions does not give you any basis for forming an argument that you know what you are talking about, that is a fact. Supporting arguments are what lend to knowing what you are talking about. This one sided argument stands to recieve nothing more than contradiction with no basis.

For the record, you were the one that used your position of power on these boards to name the thread when you split it (thanks for keeping the off topic material out of that thread by the way, i actually appreciate the gesture, just not the execution. I'll let you have the handicap on me by leaving the title as is)

If you knew anything about Tool, you wouldn't be able to condense them and their artistic efforts into a soap box description of "emo and misunderstood-teen-to-change-the-world-feel"

Sander, you expose yourself for yourself. By blindly poking fun at the things i have to say in an effort to discredit me, you simply strengthen my perspective argument. You're giving yourself food for thought which i hope you will take the time to examine further beyond the existence of this virtual world.

A lot more people are beginning to realize what is actually and truthfully going on in the world. Those that deny the existence of the Cabal will discover as time goes on and the forces that be become more arrogant and clumsy in their manipulation. Although, by that time i'm sure a good portion of poor souls will have wireless internet in their brains so they won't need to worry about thinking for themselves anymore. Those same people can be armed beyond challenge.

I wish you luck in finding truth. If you find it, i would be more than willing to collaborate and make something useful in this world right along with you.

Good luck, take care. And i really mean that.

 

[Tagaziel]

O-kay... now you're indulging in conspiracy theories, which pretty much further undermines your credibility. What next, Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Because conspiracy theories are, more or less, bullshit par excellence.

As for your fascination with nature... newsflash: nature is amoral, and is certainly not the best example of a society in which everyone posesses equal rights.

Homo sapiens is NOT the only specie which performs acts of doubtful moral nature - primates such as chimpanzees and gorillas have been repeatedly observed waging wars against each other in order to ensure the prevailing of their genes, not to mention lions, where males often kill off cubs to make their mothers fertile again.

Please, before citing unreliable sources, check their validity.

 

[victor]

I thought at first that this Edge386 guy was intelligent, and right about criticizing Israel, but he's just derailed into some methaphysical bullshit. Get a grip dude, sure there are things some people with power are up to, but don't go too far...

 

[Sander]

Sander, repeating the execution of one word contradictions does not give you any basis for forming an argument that you know what you are talking about, that is a fact. Supporting arguments are what lend to knowing what you are talking about. This one sided argument stands to recieve nothing more than contradiction with no basis.

No, indeed it doesn't. Because you haven't given any supporting arguments either. 'If you knew about Tool, then' isn't anything but a statement either, Edge, nor is linking again to a free energy video which is entirely based on very, very shaky (and at times plain wrong) scientific premises.

For the record, you were the one that used your position of power on these boards to name the thread when you split it (thanks for keeping the off topic material out of that thread by the way, i actually appreciate the gesture, just not the execution. I'll let you have the handicap on me by leaving the title as is)

Hey, if you want me to change the title, fine. But since those were the two most important elements so far (what with Per and Lord talking about Anarchy), I thought it was rather appropriate.

If you knew anything about Tool, you wouldn't be able to condense them and their artistic efforts into a soap box description of "emo and misunderstood-teen-to-change-the-world-feel"

Hah!
Hahahahahaha!
Yes I would. Because that's what they essentially are.
'But, not they aren't, James Maynard Keenan is sooo smart and deep and talks about very smart things'
Heh, yeah, sure.

Sander, you expose yourself for yourself. By blindly poking fun at the things i have to say in an effort to discredit me, you simply strengthen my perspective argument. You're giving yourself food for thought which i hope you will take the time to examine further beyond the existence of this virtual world.

Weee, more shitty psychology.
I'm not someone who simply accepts everything he is told as truth, Edge, and you can be sure that you've given me nothing new to think about.

A lot more people are beginning to realize what is actually and truthfully going on in the world. Those that deny the existence of the Cabal will discover as time goes on and the forces that be become more arrogant and clumsy in their manipulation. Although, by that time i'm sure a good portion of poor souls will have wireless internet in their brains so they won't need to worry about thinking for themselves anymore. Those same people can be armed beyond challenge.

I wish you luck in finding truth. If you find it, i would be more than willing to collaborate and make something useful in this world right along with you.

Good luck, take care. And i really mean that.

Ah, goodie, more conspiracy theories.
Before spouting such stuff you may want independently research how likely any of this. Take some classes in quantum-physics for that zero-point crap, for instance, or try to think about that Cabal link.
I mean, seriously, it's linked from Rolling Stone. The leading *pop culture and music* magazine. Now there's a good source for anti-establishment theories. Hah!

 

[Per]

There are hidden contradictions in the minds of people who "love Nature" while deploring the "artificialities" with which "Man has spoiled Nature". The obvious contradiction lies in their choice of words, which imply that Man and his artifacts are not part of "Nature" - but beavers and their dams are. But the contradictions go deeper than this prima-facie absurdity. In declaring his love for a beaver dam (erected by beavers for beavers' purposes) and his hatred for dams erected by men (for the purposes of men) the "Naturist" reveals his hatred for his own race - i.e., his own self-hatred.

 

[victor]

Yes, but I think part of that is the fact that beavers don't make their dams out of concrete, and don't blow up a mountain to build it.

I agree though, that I really don't mind dams and hydroelectric facilities that "make the landscape uglier" if the choice is between that and coal/gas power.

 

[Brother None]

Yes, but I think part of that is the fact that beavers don't make their dams out of concrete, and don't blow up a mountain to build it.

The difference between blowing up mountains and pouring concrete and chewing down trees and building a dam from them is an arbitrary one.

 

[victor]

Yes, you're right. But that's what people complain about.

 

[Atomic Cowboy]

So, Edge386... where do you see yourself at the age of 30?

Because if you don't get yourself educated I've seen where you'll be.

You'll be sitting in coffee shops downtown, with a beard and balding. You'll be dating an 18 year old, but she'll be fat and her face will look 28, thus defeating the purpose. You will carry around your magic sword for you wiccan rituals and show it off to all of your friends downtown, in public, while the cops look on in disgust thinking what a tool you are. You will hold pretensions of a special insight into Karmic balance, but really you'll just be a self serving asshole who moralizes away the instances where you screw other people over.

By that point you're pretty much committed to dying alone.

Or, you could drop all of this nonsense and join the real world. Just a thought.

 

[Bradylama]

Yes, you're right. But that's what people complain about.

That's because it's convenient to complain about it. It's convenient to criticize the Chinese for building their mega dam because people care more about some ugly as shit river dolphins than people.

 

[Sander]

That's because it's convenient to complain about it. It's convenient to criticize the Chinese for building their mega dam because people care more about some ugly as shit river dolphins than people.

Yet interestingly, their mega-dam would seem better for the environment than continuing to use a shitload of oil for that energy. Heh.

 

[Insane wanderer]

It's convenient to criticize the Chinese for building their mega dam because people care more about some ugly as shit river dolphins than people.

Maybe they care about giving some meaning to their lives by accomplishing something rather than spend their time at the golf course complaining about taxes and immigrants.

Feeling smug much, Atomic Cowboy? I suspect you actually know nothing about the guy's life so please get off your high horse. Just a thought.