Another "Fair and Balanced" video

Sometimes I think I'd only get really excited over a presidential election if it were between a giant mechanical ant and a genetically engineered Super-Hitler.

Nader-in-A-Jar still wouldn't get elected either.
 
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude said:
Whether Fox edited it or not is a non issue. The liberal media (Everyone else) routinely does the same thing; only in favor of the dems. The corporate sponsored media spinning/editing something shouldn't shock you.

All that aside, it really doesn't matter either way: Obama is unelectable. He literally has zero experience doing ANYTHING besides sitting on his ass (and being payed by you and I for it), attending a radical anti-white/anti-american church, and preaching bullshit to the gullible college crowd.

In the post 9/11 era, can you see "President of the United States of America : Barack Hussein Obama"? Fuck no, ain't happening.

Phil- the nice thing about a liberal media is that its critical of government. The conservative media is the parrot of government. As a good conservative, one should always be critical of the power of the state.

As for Obama vs. McCain- its either "change" or "more of the same." If "more of the same" works for you, then vote McCain. If the last 8 years have made you worse off than the prior 8, then go with change.

As for Obama getting elected- given the large turnout during the Democratic primaries when compared to the weak turn out during the Republican primaries, and the significant share that Obama will get from black voters- I suspect that he's rather electable.

Of course, you can go with McCain, his wealthy lobbiest supporters, and more of the Bush agenda. Remember, $12 million per hour in Iraq is also you're money being spent, and much of it going to corporate Republican sponsors.
 
I'm sorry, McCain is Bush 2? Because he supported some things bush did?

I'm sorry, is there something I don't understand? Conservatives think McCain is a liberal and in several issues he is.

Is Bush liberal? Yeah, didn't think so.

He's not my first choice by a long shot, but he's better than Obama.
 
welsh said:
Phil- the nice thing about a liberal media is that its critical of government. The conservative media is the parrot of government. As a good conservative, one should always be critical of the power of the state.

As for Obama vs. McCain- its either "change" or "more of the same." If "more of the same" works for you, then vote McCain. If the last 8 years have made you worse off than the prior 8, then go with change.

As for Obama getting elected- given the large turnout during the Democratic primaries when compared to the weak turn out during the Republican primaries, and the significant share that Obama will get from black voters- I suspect that he's rather electable.

Of course, you can go with McCain, his wealthy lobbiest supporters, and more of the Bush agenda. Remember, $12 million per hour in Iraq is also you're money being spent, and much of it going to corporate Republican sponsors.

If by change you mean withdrawing all of our soldiers and letting the already deadly terrorism-supporting nations gain strength for another 4-8 years; then yes, I agree that there would be change if Obama was elected. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away (the Clinton administration is a stellar example of this).

The Taliban and Saddam needed to be destroyed, but Bush had his own selfish motivations (Daddy's vendetta) for going to war; and lied to get there. We all know that he fucked it up big time (Using our soldiers to police Baghdad? What the fuck were you thinking?), but McCain isn't Bush, and isn't going to pull the shit that Bush did.

I'm all for un-manning the front lines in favor of the Navy/Air Force, but withdrawing entirely isn't the answer.

For the record : I voted Giuliani.
 
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude said:
Whether Fox edited it or not is a non issue. The liberal media (Everyone else) routinely does the same thing; only in favor of the dems. The corporate sponsored media spinning/editing something shouldn't shock you.

Exactly.


Makagulfazel said:
Meh. Go ahead and vote for McCain. I hope your children get drafted to Iran.

At least they'll have job security and hazard pay :)

Seriously though, don't be so dramatic. When the U.S. went into Iraq were you one of those people on the side of the road with a "No War for Oil" sign? Gimme a break
 
This reminds me of a very telling anecdote a guest lecturer from the US told us. He had constantly heard a colleague complain about Bush's policy. Knowing that she had voted for Bush, he asked the obvious question: why did she do it? Her reply: but he's such a nice man!
 
Ah-Teen said:
I'm sorry, McCain is Bush 2? Because he supported some things bush did?

I'm sorry, is there something I don't understand? Conservatives think McCain is a liberal and in several issues he is.

Is Bush liberal? Yeah, didn't think so.

He's not my first choice by a long shot, but he's better than Obama.

I see you are looking forward to one hundred years of war.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Ah-Teen said:
I'm sorry, McCain is Bush 2? Because he supported some things bush did?

I'm sorry, is there something I don't understand? Conservatives think McCain is a liberal and in several issues he is.

Is Bush liberal? Yeah, didn't think so.

He's not my first choice by a long shot, but he's better than Obama.

I see you are looking forward to one hundred years of war.

War Is Peace
 
[PCE said:
el_Prez]
Mikael Grizzly said:
Ah-Teen said:
I'm sorry, McCain is Bush 2? Because he supported some things bush did?

I'm sorry, is there something I don't understand? Conservatives think McCain is a liberal and in several issues he is.

Is Bush liberal? Yeah, didn't think so.

He's not my first choice by a long shot, but he's better than Obama.

I see you are looking forward to one hundred years of war.

War Is Peace

Freedom Is Slavery
 
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude said:
I thought that part was pretty self-explanatory.

What does McCain have that Barack doesn't, then? War experience.

Three words for you: military industrial complex.

You know, that thing that Eisenhower warned us about when he left office?

Zaptoman said:
Wow. You're kind of a mean, ignorant person, aren't you?

Mean, yes. Ignorant, no. Ignorance can more easily be used to describe people who truly believe the shit that comes out of Fox News anchors' mouths.

When the U.S. went into Iraq were you one of those people on the side of the road with a "No War for Oil" sign? Gimme a break

No, I wasn't. But I sure as hell am not going to make the same mistake twice. When you have dozens of former Bush administration employees stating that the Iraq War was for oil, along with the biggest news media giant, it kind of makes you wonder.

Do you believe we are ever going to destroy al-qaeda and the taliban? Gimme a break.
 
Makagulfazel said:
Do you believe we are ever going to destroy al-qaeda and the taliban? Gimme a break.

War in Iraq and War in Afganistan are 2 different fronts. And we went to each country for different reasons.
 
I hope this isn't too offtopic or political, but this is a must read list for every American voter. Please, please don't start bombing everyone that looks at you the wrong way, you militaristic trigger-happy baboons.
Compiled by your friendly social-democrat circlejerk of SomethingAwful.
 
Phil- you do realize that getting Osama was the #1 goal of the Clinton administration in the last few years of office.

That Clinton asked the Pentagon for plans to go after Osama, but the Pentagon said the only way to actually get him would require multiple army divisions, air strikes, etc. This was prior to 9-11, and Clinton wasn't willing to launch a preemptive war to get a terrorist.

Furthermore, the Clinton administration warned the Bush people that Osama would be a problem during the transition- but the Bush folks ignored them.

If you doubt this, read Ghost Wars by Coll.

It wasn't for lack of trying, and when the US did intervene- it was only after the Northern Alliance had pretty much ended Taliban control.

No one says end the war in Afghanistan.

But its also pretty clear that Bush harped on the fears of the American public to start a preemptive war on Iraq- and lied about basis for going to war. While Bush may be gone in about 1/2 a year, if you elect McCain, you're putting the Republicans back in office. And McCain's policies are generally pro-Bush. Why? Because its the same constituent supporters.

Now we are paying $12 million an hour for that war. Our economy is in trouble, our infrastructure is failing, and we can't even rebuild a city hit by a hurricane.

Would this change under McCain- not really. YOu're suggesting a change of leadership will make a change. But McCain's policies are generally pro-Bush policies- which are really just a more extreme version of policies begun under Reagan. More tax cuts for the rich, more weakening of the state, more reliance on military policy abroad, more income inequality that favors the privileged. Consequently, more of the middle class and lower class paying the bill while the rich get richer.

I did support the Iraq War- and I knew there was no Al Quieda in Iraq or WMD. What I don't support is how badly Bush fucked up the policy. Sanctions had failed and Saddam had grown more powerful- he had to go.

But you're telling me that the single super power couldn't deal with a little shit petro-state in the middle east? What kind of fuck up administration couldn't win that war? Oh.. the same one that fucked up Katrina.

I also oppose the idea of using our military to support corporate interests. We send our troops to war, we should be giving them all the support they need- and if that means tax the rich, so be it.

You want to continue that war- either you win it or you give up. What we're doing is half-assed, and that way, nothing gets done. So either you're willing to tax the rich and draft kids or you start thinking of pulling out and leave the Iraqis to figure out their own future.
 
[PCE said:
el_Prez]
Mikael Grizzly said:
Ah-Teen said:
I'm sorry, McCain is Bush 2? Because he supported some things bush did?

I'm sorry, is there something I don't understand? Conservatives think McCain is a liberal and in several issues he is.

Is Bush liberal? Yeah, didn't think so.

He's not my first choice by a long shot, but he's better than Obama.

I see you are looking forward to one hundred years of war.

War Is Peace

War is peace? Peace here maybe. I'd rather have peace there. But we unfortunately need to be there.

Grizzly, I'm not looking forward to it, but I expect it. I also don't believe we should ever pull out of Iraq. Not stay like we are, but move over as soon as the Iraqis are ready. If you'll notice we are still in:

Germany, Japan, Korea, Kuwait. That just off the top of my head. Most Americans would be surprised to know we are still in Kosovo and a number of other countries.

I would love to see our troops out of Saudi Arabia and put into Iraq instead. There is no way we should be allied with them.

Welsh, your kick ass.

I might add though under Clinton. He had several opportunities though the CIA to capture him. Under Clinton the CIA had an entire eight(?) people working on him.

And when Massoud went repeatedly to other countries trying to get support and warn the world of the danger these men were. We ignored him, the US, the Europeans everyone. He was assassinated September 9th 2001.
 
Ah-Teen said:
[PCE said:
el_Prez]
Mikael Grizzly said:
Ah-Teen said:
I'm sorry, McCain is Bush 2? Because he supported some things bush did?

I'm sorry, is there something I don't understand? Conservatives think McCain is a liberal and in several issues he is.

Is Bush liberal? Yeah, didn't think so.

He's not my first choice by a long shot, but he's better than Obama.

I see you are looking forward to one hundred years of war.

War Is Peace

War is peace? Peace here maybe. I'd rather have peace there. But we unfortunately need to be there.

You need to read Orwell's 1984.

Grizzly, I'm not looking forward to it, but I expect it. I also don't believe we should ever pull out of Iraq. Not stay like we are, but move over as soon as the Iraqis are ready. If you'll notice we are still in:

Ah well, 's gonna be fun to see your economy tumble.

Germany, Japan, Korea, Kuwait. That just off the top of my head. Most Americans would be surprised to know we are still in Kosovo and a number of other countries.

Uh, what? Note the terms on which you stay.

I might add though under Clinton. He had several opportunities though the CIA to capture him. Under Clinton the CIA had an entire eight(?) people working on him.

So?
 
People still say we have a liberal media? LOL

Oh you mean the liberal media that cheerlead Bush into 2 terms, and totally supported the Iraq invasion without any challenge to authority?

Liberal media my ass...
 
Beelzebud said:
People still say we have a liberal media? LOL

Oh you mean the liberal media that cheerlead Bush into 2 terms, and totally supported the Iraq invasion without any challenge to authority?

Liberal media my ass...

I agree. Liberal Media? I see a lot of conservative suck ups.

That said, the Libs got comedy channel. Corbett's "Make McCain exciting" is hilarious.
 
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