Some of the Fatman explosions looked much better this time around. Apparently it depends a lot on the angle and amount of bloom how visible the texture of the gas cloud is.
Another Fallout 3 demonstration today
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They are pretty strict controlling the flow of information, so I'm guessing they're only showing this specific set of features for the time being. PIPBoy, VATS, minigames and some main factions. It may be a while before they show any of the RPG elements.
It seemed like Todd was the only one there thinking violence is funny, the hosts didn't seem too impressed.
I'd prefer it if Emil was there to demo it, but I guess that is Todd's job.
It seemed like Todd was the only one there thinking violence is funny, the hosts didn't seem too impressed.
I'd prefer it if Emil was there to demo it, but I guess that is Todd's job.
Paul_cz
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Vasara said:
Definitely, but he is, according to one of the devs, "home working on the game with the rest of us".Which I guess is a good thing.
Pretty disappointed with the showing. I figured there'd be more to it than what we've already seen over the past couple days, but I guess not. I'm not too pleased that they didn't show any RPG elements really, but I guess it's not too surprising as they didn't seem to have a lot of time to work with, and talking typically isn't as interesting as extreme violence.
That might've been a result of the ubercharacter mode he had going on.
Was this different from the original games? I seem to recall being able to walk to a computer right in front of the final Enclave boss in FO2 and he didn't do dick about it even while I convinced the computers to blow him to pieces. I agree that it's not very realistic, and I'm not particularly a fan of it, but I've seen very few games that don't do the same stuff.
Yeah, though it stands to reason that this might be a slightly different Enclave. It's what, two generations since the second Fallout game? And the Tactics Brotherhood of Steel were in the East Coast with that armor. Plus that armor might just be widespread in various areas, there's nothing in Fallout lore that necessarily says that the West Coast Enclave would be identical to the East Coast Enclave.
Though honestly, I still can't figure out how the Enclave could even exist in a similar manner and be known as the "Enclave" in this time period. But maybe there's a reason... maybe....
I didn't think so. It's no GTA IV but I thought it looked okay. What was so bad about it to you?
I think it looked okay. Viscerally I thought the VATS stuff was pretty cool most of the time. I'm not really a fan of the Bloody Mess stuff, but I never liked it (and never used it) in the other Fallouts either. I think the physics and stuff are kind of messed up as a result of the Bloody Mess trait though. There were times when he shot people outside of VATS that they didn't explode in a thousand different ways and the physics looked good IMO. But it seems like whenever Bloody Mess is activated it causes some kind of internal bomb to go off inside these guys' chests and ignores the actual projectile physics of the bullets and stuff and instead just causes their limbs to fall into pieces as they drop.
As an RPG, you really need to define what you mean by that. An RPG does not equate to turn-based combat. If you mean it doesn't look good as compared to previous Fallouts, then fine, everything seemed more extreme. Where the previous Fallouts had a subtlety to their gore, in that they were extreme but also very realistic, such as when you shot somebody in the chest with a machine gun from point-blank range and half their upper torso would just get blown right off their body, or in another instance they'd just get pelted with about a dozen bullets and just drop to the ground with blood all over them, this game (so far, and hopefully just because of Bloody Mess) takes it even further, disregards the power of subtlety and despite their touting realism they seem to always go for limbs getting blown off and heads exploding. Despite it looking good, because of its frequency it feels cartoonish, which is not what Fallout was ever about.
Hopefully though, that's just a result of the bloody mess perk, and hopefully without it people will die more realistically.
As far as not being a very good FPS as far as combat goes, I disagree. Though I will say that, if everybody acts exactly as the NPC's in this demo did, then the combat will get old fast. Everybody just seemed to rush you, and while maybe that's okay for insane ghouls and shit, it better not be how it works with most others.
Yeah, I agree. But on the other hand, most of the stuff that occurred in the Wasteland between locations was mindless combat you couldn't talk your way out of. Seemed like 3/4ths of the time that's what the random encounter was in FO1 and 2. If you look at it like that, then there might be a lot of combat between towns, but the towns very well might be completely different. It just means that "random encounters" will occur more frequently.
Though honestly, if you look at Oblivion, it doesn't sound that bad. Oblivion had its bad parts, if you ventured too far from the road the wildlife would frequently eat you alive, but the encounters with bandits and wildlife on the roads themselves were somewhat infrequent. Somewhat being that on any given trip between towns, you'd have one-to-three encounters like that, if you stuck to the main roads. But they weren't always purely violent, though they were frequently.
If that's how this works, then that's not that bad.
13pm said:
That might've been a result of the ubercharacter mode he had going on.
Was this different from the original games? I seem to recall being able to walk to a computer right in front of the final Enclave boss in FO2 and he didn't do dick about it even while I convinced the computers to blow him to pieces. I agree that it's not very realistic, and I'm not particularly a fan of it, but I've seen very few games that don't do the same stuff.
Yeah, though it stands to reason that this might be a slightly different Enclave. It's what, two generations since the second Fallout game? And the Tactics Brotherhood of Steel were in the East Coast with that armor. Plus that armor might just be widespread in various areas, there's nothing in Fallout lore that necessarily says that the West Coast Enclave would be identical to the East Coast Enclave.
Though honestly, I still can't figure out how the Enclave could even exist in a similar manner and be known as the "Enclave" in this time period. But maybe there's a reason... maybe....
Starwars said:
I didn't think so. It's no GTA IV but I thought it looked okay. What was so bad about it to you?
I think it looked okay. Viscerally I thought the VATS stuff was pretty cool most of the time. I'm not really a fan of the Bloody Mess stuff, but I never liked it (and never used it) in the other Fallouts either. I think the physics and stuff are kind of messed up as a result of the Bloody Mess trait though. There were times when he shot people outside of VATS that they didn't explode in a thousand different ways and the physics looked good IMO. But it seems like whenever Bloody Mess is activated it causes some kind of internal bomb to go off inside these guys' chests and ignores the actual projectile physics of the bullets and stuff and instead just causes their limbs to fall into pieces as they drop.
As an RPG, you really need to define what you mean by that. An RPG does not equate to turn-based combat. If you mean it doesn't look good as compared to previous Fallouts, then fine, everything seemed more extreme. Where the previous Fallouts had a subtlety to their gore, in that they were extreme but also very realistic, such as when you shot somebody in the chest with a machine gun from point-blank range and half their upper torso would just get blown right off their body, or in another instance they'd just get pelted with about a dozen bullets and just drop to the ground with blood all over them, this game (so far, and hopefully just because of Bloody Mess) takes it even further, disregards the power of subtlety and despite their touting realism they seem to always go for limbs getting blown off and heads exploding. Despite it looking good, because of its frequency it feels cartoonish, which is not what Fallout was ever about.
Hopefully though, that's just a result of the bloody mess perk, and hopefully without it people will die more realistically.
As far as not being a very good FPS as far as combat goes, I disagree. Though I will say that, if everybody acts exactly as the NPC's in this demo did, then the combat will get old fast. Everybody just seemed to rush you, and while maybe that's okay for insane ghouls and shit, it better not be how it works with most others.
Yeah, I agree. But on the other hand, most of the stuff that occurred in the Wasteland between locations was mindless combat you couldn't talk your way out of. Seemed like 3/4ths of the time that's what the random encounter was in FO1 and 2. If you look at it like that, then there might be a lot of combat between towns, but the towns very well might be completely different. It just means that "random encounters" will occur more frequently.
Though honestly, if you look at Oblivion, it doesn't sound that bad. Oblivion had its bad parts, if you ventured too far from the road the wildlife would frequently eat you alive, but the encounters with bandits and wildlife on the roads themselves were somewhat infrequent. Somewhat being that on any given trip between towns, you'd have one-to-three encounters like that, if you stuck to the main roads. But they weren't always purely violent, though they were frequently.
If that's how this works, then that's not that bad.
horst said:
Yeah I know. I always misspell it, somehow the adjective just doesn't make sense like that.
Tyshalle said:
That wasn't during combat.
Obviously the difference is in nature: Fallout 1/2 was turn-based, so it made sense you weren't being attacked while making attempts at lock-picking, since it was your turn.
However, the world freezing up when you make a hacking attempt is really weak. If you're going for immersion, that just doesn't work. It was especially ridiculous in BioShock, where you could jump, freeze in mid-air and go ahead and hack while enemies waited around for you. Just stupid.
Tyshalle said:
Nope. This is 30 years after Fallout 2.
Brother None said:
I guess, but it still feels like a copout. Though I'll admit, if they're going to change so much for immersion's sake then they ought to maybe go the whole way with that. Then again, they had a similar thing in Stalker with the PDA and inventory, and it could occasionally get frustrating to get shot at while searching around for something in your inventory in the middle of combat.
Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it seems like Bethesda wants to avoid as much player-frustration as possible.
Though I agree with you about Bioshock.
Is it? I thought it was 40. I thought this was 200 years after the bombs dropped, and Fallout 1 was 80 years after that, and FO2 was 80 years after FO1.... It's been a while since I played either of them though.
Stiched said:
If you have livewire you can just rewind to the appropriate time.
Eyenixon said:
That's because it's not currently showing anything. Right below the start and stop button is a slider. Slide it back to 2:30 pm.
For some reason, unlike the other demo vids, I actually enjoyed watching this. The game will still need some modding (please, Beth release a CS!!!) but the vanilla game seemed more appealing in the IGN video (I guess in part to Adam Sessler not giggling like a school girl every time Todd shoots something).
This would lead me to believe that lockpicking functions the same way, for all those people who say it should be character skill-based instead of player skill-based.
Makenshi said:
So you didn't play the original games?
Okay, that was a cheap shot, but come on. At least the disparity between where the bullet hits and the ensuing death animation is in the grand Fallout tradition.
terebikun said:
Yes, it's not like Fallout was made 10 years ago. Do you honestly think that after 10 years Fallout should have "I critically hit you it the ass and leg for 209 hit points and all your limbs fly away" ?
I'll quote Denizsi from our beloved Codex.
So, devil's advocates, please- use common sense.
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Common sense is some people love tactics. Common sense is some games should be made for some people.
Fallout 3 can be summed up with this.
http://ithinktheydidntmakeit.ytmnd.com/
It fell far short of expectations.
http://ithinktheydidntmakeit.ytmnd.com/
It fell far short of expectations.