Army sends D&D playing soldiers to the shrinks...

Ok, this might be a bit offtopic, but I would still like to say it.

I was in the military for one year (mandatory) and as said, they do have this brainwashing there. Basic training, but I thinks it?s a good thing. You get a perspective. It?s like computers. Sometimes you just have to reset and reboot the fucker. Same goes with people. Basic training was good in that. Actually one year in the army and I don?t mind about small things anymore. I was one year in the army, this is nothing! That mentality is one thing you get from there.

You basically stop whining about small things.
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I was one year in the army, this is nothing!
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Also note it could work with: I was one year in prison, this is nothing!

The Idea of basic training is to make you go trough hell so you are better prepared in a danger situation.
 
Lt. Col. Gonzalez said:
The Idea of basic training is to make you go trough hell so you are better prepared in a danger situation.
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That's part of it, but it's certainly not the main or most important part. The most important part is to resocialize you from civilian life to military life. You're socialized to follow orders without hesitation, to respect the hierarchy, to love your country and military, and to die for both. That's the purpose of basic. You can learn military skills anywhere and at anytime, but during basic, you're being resocialized.
 
bradylama- the point wasn't the question of artificial characters or real ones, but an issue of will or desire.

One can argue that the playing of a violent game not only desensitizes you to the witnessing of violence, it also promotes your ability to commit acts of violence by transforming victims of violence to characters.

That said, this argument about whether people are the likelihood of people commiting acts of violence because of desensitization via rpgs, computer games, or TV is very flakey.

I heard on the news that the average kid will see something like 100,000 acts of violence before their 15 by simply watching the normal amount of TV that kids watch.

Yet at the same time the likelihood of any individual suffering an act of violence is, I believe, lower now than it was 100 years ago.

How can you reconcile the notion that we live in a world where artifical violence is so prolific but actual violence has declined?

That said, I think King makes some very good points about the purpose of training. Nice post King.
 
Lt. Col. Gonzalez wrote:
The Idea of basic training is to make you go trough hell so you are better prepared in a danger situation.
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That's part of it, but it's certainly not the main or most important part.
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I know, you said it before, I was just making reference to what frissy wrote:
You basically stop whining about small things.
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And it is truth. I have gone trough serious bad stuff in my life, and that made me stronger, being able to overcome difficult situations more easily.

That is the only reason I would want to join the army, to prove myself that I can do it and have more confidence in myself. But after all: Who wants to go trough a bad situation unless than necessary.

About the resocialization, that is the main reason of why I wouldn't join the military.
 
welsh said:
How can you reconcile the notion that we live in a world where artifical violence is so prolific but actual violence has declined?
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Not from where I'm sitting. Maybe in your pleasantly isolated world Welsh, but as far as I've seen, violence in the real world is about the same as its always been.

Thats always been the nature of things though. The dark violent places are conveniently forgotten while everyone else sits around not being bothered.

The great part is, though, that the majority of people committing the regular violence arn't exposed to violent media with any sort of regularity. Not here anyways.

You think many extremists on Jihad played too much Grand Theft Auto? Basayev probably played too much Dungeons and Dragons too. And I know for a fact that local troops play Settlers of Catan to build up that hateful urge to kill and torture other living beings when they can get away with it.
 
I also think that violence hasn't gotten worse...because. It has gradually become more and more represented in your everyday life. Maybe it has become worse in the act, but not as an idea.

Go back in time and women couldn't show any part of their legs (PORN!), and now you can walk around in a miniskirt without everyone screaming "OMG PORN!". What we think is pornographic now, was something rrrreally bad in history, but we still have a difference between normality and porn. Normal today would be considered porn in history (hmm...what about islamic countries...hmm... stoning...)
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And I know for a fact that local troops play Settlers of Catan to build up that hateful urge to kill and torture other living beings when they can get away with it.
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No... it is teh original Settlers of Satan!
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i'm sorry, that sucked. even by my standards
 
Heheh... U.S. is teaching marines to play Doom with the robots, when other countries send the gamers to the doc.


Every nation needs their own gameconsole. Then every year in the E3 we play against each others. Who wins, rules the world for one year.
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Every nation needs their own gameconsole. Then every year in the E3 we play against each others. Who wins, rules the world for one year.
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The other day (yea sure, probably a year ago) I was talking with my cousin and we both agreed how the war video games and war films were so fun, but a real war situation was so ugly and painful that no one should ever want a war unless he was completely insane. So we agreed with a similar solution to the one you described.

Those of us that are here in a safe place with wars happening hundred or even thousands of kilometers away sometimes we don't understand that video games and TV are nothing compared to have a tank firing rounds down the street next to your home because you are in the middle of a war.

Some people comes here to Argentina from countries that are in war, work in a supermarket for the minimal wage to maintain their families and to live all together in a rented room. For some of us that would be awful, but if you ask them they'll tell you it is much better than where they come from, and they actually seem to enjoy it quite much. Why, because they rather to live in this conditions than live with the sound of war and the danger of getting killed every day.
 
I agree war is bad. Really bad.

One thing I've been thinking with my friends are refugees. As said those that come and work for minimal pay and live in the rented house. I admit that women and children should do that, but the men...

When there is a crisis in your homecountry it doesn't help to run away. How are things supposed to get better when there is no one to repair the situation. Is bailing out from the situation the answer?

Sometimes I don't like the refugees when they run away from a country that is in war (well that's not a bad thing to do) and then they say they are treadted like crap. I have no respect for that. Women and children are a different matter. Of course one should give shelter to those that need it and can't do anything for the situation, but for those that can possibly change the sitation?

Majority of those people want to see their family kept safe, but how can they ask for help when they themselves have done nothing but run away (some have stayed of course).

These comments are very edgy at best, but don't take them too seriously. I'm just writing it like this, so you can understand what I'm meaning more accurately.

Runnin away is never a sollution if you can do something else. I'm not meaning that every single bullet can make the difference and it could be shot from a childs hand, but mostly the general idea of the whole thing.
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This is really interesting thread.

I grew up in the west side of neworelans though so the "A rare chance in 1000 of violent acts happening to that person" kinda dosent apply to me :D Also army, and worked for Department of Corections(state) (as a guard) I only spend one night in jail (county) when I was convicted of excesive speeding thx to a girl that decided to do somthing (verry nice but unmentionable in these forums) in my lap while I was driving, and now I do import/exports and that isnt excatialy safe either but it seems to be what I enjoy doing so I just stick with it.

It does aply to most people though... I am just a bad plauge of unlucky things it seems :D

I would add that the problem is like you said, they promise you good jobs etc when you return, but in fact alot of the homeless stem from ex-military people, not to mention the PTSD that is also a "Dont ask dont tell" taboo (or atleast it was when I was in) in the Army. There is no golden opurtunity... fi you do it do it for your country or for the money for colege (even that is hard to get outa them though, I am STILL owed 10k from a sighn on bonus but have given up on that, funny thing thought htey still keep askin em to come back lol I jsut say"give me 10k and its a deal :D )
 
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