Ashley Cheng on Fallout fans

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Ashley Cheng (BethSoft producer), who I think is making a run at getting the community manager job Bethesda opened, responded in his (personal!) blog to a thread on the QTT forums (that thread, in turn, was in response to glittering gems of hatred). Ashley Cheng, apparently, "gets it":<blockquote>For me personally, 1997 right up until 2000 was a golden age for computer role playing games. Baldur's Gate, Fallout, Planescape Torment -- I played some of the best RPGs in my life during that period. In general, the aforementioned Fallout fans yearn for those RPGs. They may not want to play those exact games specifically, but it is safe to say that current RPGs on the market are definitely not to their liking (to say the least).

(...)

The general consensus of the thread was that these passionate fans are irrelevant, that they are too fanatical and small a blip on the market to really matter. Yet, I can't help but think of The Long Tail. Practically speaking, current major publishers and developers no longer make those types of games anymore, and retailers won't sell games that haven't come out in the past year or two. But you can still find them at places at www.gogamer.com or www.gametap.com. I would be curious if their sales of older titles is substantial enough to raise the eyebrows of major publishers and make a case for these niche titles.

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Perhaps the RPGs of the late 90s will make their way back somehow -- those big, beautiful beasts of RPGs. Yet, I imagine, much like adventure games, when they do return, they won't be anything like they were back before iPods ruled the earth.</blockquote>Link: Before iPods ruled the earth..., Ashley Cheng personal blog

Thanks Briosafreak.
 
Dave Gaider made the point that you can't recreate original experiences too.

They're both right, you can't. Any revival of pen and paper RPGs will be different, as it should be.

Any revival is better than nothing, though.

Everyone; just link anyone that claims NMA is irrelevant to that post.

Also, I noticed the recent trend in denigrating NMA is "you guys never did nothing". I guess nobody visits our modding section.
 
oh he likes to try and spin things ...
... it just looks like writing to easy in the trashing of the old system ... by making it "better" - you have to agree with him that any comeback is likely to suffer mutation ... tho i'mafraid theyre not looking to better it ... but just justify teh realtime, auto-level, first-person.. lets make it so easys your mom can play...

a forked tongue this one has ... i predict he'll keep praising old rpgs moderately for a while ... to get people agreeing with him .. than make a uturn right around the first screenshots surface...

and to the question of wether "fanatical" fans matter... offcourse they bloody will ..because.. every person who played the first two games is like this... except most of them aint followin what the community does anymore ...
 
iGames

iGames




Doctor StrangeSpin quantum-fies:

iPods, ''i'' means I, and I means Me.

Me for the Me Generation.

Whether it's Gen X, or Gen Nex, it's all about leading the Me's to point of sale.

Me, Me, and Me!

It's all about ME!

YOU, it's all about Me too! You're no second place YOU, you sing it's all about Me too!

How ALL yo' Me's be hangin'?





iGame.



First Person is I.

''i'' means I, and I means Me.

First Person View is iGame.

iGame is MeGame!

Real Time is all about Me.

Real Time is iGame.

iGame is MeGame!

Elven Babe {eye candy (breast) platform} squealz: ""Love you long time, no lie, G.I.""

""Love you Real Time(tm), no lie, ... "" is iGame!

First Person Shooter is iGame.

iGame(tm)*



[Game over, click exit, ... the EXIT BUTTON, nex to the ""ANY"" key, to go to Nex product placement. ...]





4too




{''iGame'' is an implied trade mark pwned by the NMA/DAC/Codex Foundation For Quality(tm) When Mocking Marketing Machinations}
 
but it is safe to say that current RPGs on the market are definitely not to their liking (to say the least)

Right. And the consequences of this most surprising detection are :
Perhaps the RPGs of the late 90s will make their way back somehow -- those big, beautiful beasts of RPGs. Yet, I imagine, much like adventure games, when they do return, they won't be anything like they were back before iPods ruled the earth.

perhaps ? Adventure game? When they do return?
What kind of Fallout 3 he's speaking about?
His intension is not to produce the Fallout 3 we desire - obviously his only intension is to satisfy the [censored] RT action next gen audience.
That's all he has to say to the fan base?
Bye, buy FO3.
 
taxacaria said:
His intension is not to produce the Fallout 3 we desire - obviously his only intension is to satisfy the [censored] RT action next gen audience.

Well if that's where FO3 is heading, accept it. I mean, we obviously can't do anything about it. Let's hope it will be a decent RT FPS with enough blood, gore and a decent atmosphere, story.
 
Re: iGames

4too said:
I don't know what to say... :shock: I'd like to say, in one coherent sentence, both "that was deep" and "please specify..." :P

No, really, i like the part of the elven babe xD
 
Lysandus said:
I'm not sure how to feel about this. On the one hand he's not calling us morons, on the other hand he seems to be justifying the "inovashun" that will undoubtably take place in fo3.

I think that his attitude is really quite positive, because he does seem to show an understanding of the Fallout fanbase. Whether people choose to be sceptical about his motives is up to them, but at face value this is quite a positive piece. I've seen many quotes where people associated with Bethesda make the right kind of noises, but it remains to be seen whether those are sincere sentiments that will actually shape the final product.
 
What Bernie said, with the correction of "a part of the Fallout fandon". And there's a sentence in 4Too's post that kind of makes it clear what he means even for those not initiated in decoding his posts.
 
xu said:
taxacaria said:
His intension is not to produce the Fallout 3 we desire - obviously his only intension is to satisfy the [censored] RT action next gen audience.

Well if that's where FO3 is heading, accept it. I mean, we obviously can't do anything about it. Let's hope it will be a decent RT FPS with enough blood, gore and a decent atmosphere, story.

You heard the man, let's close everything down and go home... scheeesch.

great post from 4too as always... he's like "Poet" from OZ :D iGame, niiice.
 
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