Berlisconi For Euro Prez!

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John Uskglass

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A Modest Proposal

EURSOC Two
22 June, 2004

Surprise, surprise, Germany has joined France in insisting that the next president of the European Commission must be from a country in the EU's "core area" - ruling out British, Nordic or central European candidates for the job.

Of course, this narrows the field to mostly Old European nations, who have been in the EU for decades and have signed up to integrationist policy such as the Single Currency.

Like France's president Chirac, Gerhard Schröder believes that a candidate from the EU's inner core would be more sympathetic to the often paradoxical Franco-German dynamic which demands more integration while breaking EU legislation it disapproves of.

The Telegraph reports that installing an Old European president would allow France and Germany to retain control over the pace and direction of EU integration.

Of course, the French and Germans shouldn't care so much about where a president comes from: EU commissioners are meant to be above national politics. The fact that few are able to ignore demands from their home governments demonstrates clearly the lack of confidence in EU institutions even at the highest level.

Ireland's Bertie Ahern might be a suitable candidate, though perhaps too wily for Chirac and Schröder. Ahern says he doesn't want the job anyway, which may be a fine example of his renowned wiliness or may simply mean he doesn't want the job.

Failing that, one name does spring to EURSOC's mind. He comes from a Eurozone single currency nation which has been in the EU since the union's inception. He is a prime minister - though his term may conveniently be approaching its end. He is a well-known figure in the European Parliament. Federalists will be delighted to know that he definitely believes in a power higher than his nation's judges. Best of all, his actions and demeanour embody the EU and its institutions better than any other European politician.

How could Chirac and Schröder resist Silvio Berlusconi for president?
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This would make me the happiest man in the world.
 
Him as president would probably also ensure the collapse of the EU...
But knowing Silvio, he would probably issue the creation of 34 free EU porn channels (with fancy names like "Europorn" or "Eurolesbs" or something), and more porn channels always decrease crime and increase lifespan...
 
The crime bit was just a subtle, semi-idiotic, think-how-porn-affects-people, I-need-to-add-spice-to-the-sentence thing. You might as well ignore it :roll:
 
ConstipatedCraprunner said:
This would make me the happiest man in the world.
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You're really not all that bright, are ya, sonny?

Plus, this EU comission president 'election' is a fucking joke. The criteria for choosing the president are... screwed up. He has to be charismatic, acceptable to all countries, political moderate,... Nobody cares if he would actually be a good leader anymore.
It's a cherade, really. I mean: the Portugese PM, who as it appears will be the next president, is a grey, unflexible, "boring" figure.
The EU won't progress with him at the wheel. He'll just try to steer a course as moderate as possible, and stay out of the way of trouble - and therefore end up doing nothing at all.


*EDIT* Plus, I don't give a fuck if the guy has a sense of humor or not. I don't give a fuck if he wears nice clothes or not. I don't give a fuck if he has a nice haircut of not.

Things like that might matter in American "elections", but they sure as hell don't here.
 
Dudes, dudes. You're talking as if it was the election of an empire's leader. It isn't. The so-called president has not enough power to make the EU prosper or not "prosper", that is up to the different countries.

Tsk, been playing too much Europa Universalis.
 
You're really not all that bright, are ya, sonny?
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He's close to a Fascist, and I don't particularly like him. Did'nt quite catch the sarcasm, did yeh?

Like I said, it's gonna be the Portugese PM.

Dudes, dudes. You're talking as if it was the election of an empire's leader. It isn't. The so-called president has not enough power to make the EU prosper or not "prosper", that is up to the different countries.
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Goddamn lack of central authority in piss ant Euro nations..

Tsk, been playing too much Europa Universalis.
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Goes without saying. I play it more then Fallout, sadly enough.
 
Wooz69 said:
Dudes, dudes. You're talking as if it was the election of an empire's leader. It isn't. The so-called president has not enough power to make the EU prosper or not "prosper", that is up to the different countries.
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The European comission does play an important role in guiding the EU where it wants it to go. Ask Kharnie boy, he's the expert...


Wooz said:
Tsk, been playing too much Europa Universalis.
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One can never play too much EU.

CCR said:
Did'nt quite catch the sarcasm, did yeh?
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CCR, Berlusconi's right wing and a demagogue, so there was a 95% chance you meant that.
 
Hehe, Jebus, my mother used to work for the Polish European Integration Council a coupla years ago. Had my share of readings, as well as discussions on the subject. The most important EU (European Union, not Europa Universalis) matters are settled in the parlament, in case you didn't knew.

Jebus said:
CCR, Berlusconi's right wing and a demagogue, so there was a 95% chance you meant that.
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:rofl:

CCR said:
Goddamn lack of central authority in piss ant Euro nations..
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Hehe, unlike others, we've had our share of totalitarian empires.
 
Wooz69 said:
Hehe, Jebus, my mother used to work for the Polish European Integration Council a coupla years ago. Had my share of readings, as well as discussions on the subject. The most important EU (European Union, not Europa Universalis) matters are settled in the parlament, in case you didn't knew.
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Yes, in theory this is very true. The European Parliament is the only directly elected body of the EU, and thus widely shown of as the governing body. The theoretical power of the European Parliament has very few bounds. They can toss away any proposition made by the European Council while those ministers can't do the same to them.

But then again, practice rarely suits theory, does it. If the European Parliament is the most powerful force in the EU, Wooz, you're going to have to explain to me why most legislation is passed by the European Council in their meetings (which, I may note, have no outside witnesses, are never transcribed or kept anywhere and are, basically, unviewable by the people and thus secret and undemocratic) and then funneled through the Parliament who does nothing much at all.

Theoretical power counts for shit if nobody does nothin with it.
 
ConstipatedCraprunner said:
Oh, come on. At least he has a sense of humor, and he does'nt have the same kind of Black Shirt organization.....yet.
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Well he wears a black suite :P

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Sorry Berlusconi but Mussolini was completely bald. You still have hair.


ConstipatedCraprunner said:
It'll be that Portugese PM.
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Jose Manuel Durao Barroso


Wooz69 said:
Hehe, unlike others, we've had our share of totalitarian empires.
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Right but I think the EU needs more union and a more centralized power. I'm not a radical but I think the way it is now is just pathetic.


Kharn said:
Theoretical power counts for shit if nobody does nothin with it.
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Ok. Who really is going to follow a law that interferes in their political agenda?
 
Right but I think the EU needs more union and a more centralized power. I'm not a radical but I think the way it is now is just pathetic.
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No offence to Europe, but it won't work. Maybe if it had been some kind of Germany-Italy-France-Britan thing, but the way it is now, it's only going to be a bit more then NAFTA. Europe's time of dominating the world is over. And the recent outcry of European voters against it is only speeding up the inevitable.

Jose Manuel Durao Barroso
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You know, I think that Hispanic name Jose is among the most bizzare names imagineable, as even uttering it as a name for a person is breaking one of the 10. I blame the Arabs and thier name Isa.
 
And what your name might be?
You know... there is something like pronunciation in OTHER languages rather then English
 
ConstipatedCraprunner said:
No offence to Europe, but it won't work. Maybe if it had been some kind of Germany-Italy-France-Britan thing, but the way it is now, it's only going to be a bit more then NAFTA. Europe's time of dominating the world is over. And the recent outcry of European voters against it is only speeding up the inevitable.
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It ended on second world war Constipated. Now for beeing just a bit more than NAFTA, that clearly means you don`t have a clue what you are talking about, please start new readings about the EU here
http://europa.eu.int/index_en.htm
and then do a bit of search.

Jose Manuel Durao Barroso
You know, I think that Hispanic name Jose is among the most bizzare names imagineable, as even uttering it as a name for a person is breaking one of the 10. I blame the Arabs and thier name Isa.
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Hispanic? Hispanic? First it`s José, then it isn`t Hispanic, it`s Portuguese, they came from the same latin roots but they are diferent languages. Tsk tsk.

The most important EU (European Union, not Europa Universalis) matters are settled in the parlament, in case you didn't knew.
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No they aren`t, i really don`t know where did that idea came from.
The Parliament has indeed powers over the important budget, and controls what the Comission does. But the really important decisions are all taken by the Council of the European Union. Click and you`ll see what i mean, i`ve been studying the EU for four years now and it is a complex subject, even for the burocrats that work for it, and i`ve met a few...
 
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