Best computer setup Evar.

What do you think I want the new screen for?

I used to run dual-screen until one of them started flickering and making weird cable-fire noises and my parents forced me to dump it.
 
Dammit, I finally buy the processor I want, finally completing my new machine, and I find out that the motherboard doesn’t have the right AGP slot for my video card. Now I have to wait until after boxing day and get it exchanged for a motherboard that has the right number of pins for my processor and the right AGP slot for my video card. :(
 
calculon000 said:
Now I have to wait until after boxing day and get it exchanged for a motherboard that has the right number of pins for my processor and the right AGP slot for my video card. :(

What do you mean? There's only one 'AGP' slot, any AGP card will fit in it. Unless you mean the aperture, which isn't really going to make much of a difference anyway unless the board is from the 1.0 days.
 
Ratty said:
Your motherboard doesn't have a fucking AGP slot at all.

lol. Sorry to laugh calculon, but that's a pretty bonehead move. How could you be trying to put together a new computer and not know what PCI-E is, or notice that the motherboard didn't have AGP?

If I were you I'd trade back the graphics card rather than the motherboard, PCI-E is a better interface and is going to be the standard in a year or two anyway.
 
calculon000 said:
Now I have to wait until after boxing day and get it exchanged for a motherboard that has the right number of pins for my processor and the right AGP slot for my video card. :(
The hell? Your motherboard has s939. The question is, what kind of a shitty CPU did you buy?
 
well he got a +3500 amd64 i presume, and all the 3500's ive seen where all s939... so I dont know what he is doing? (i think there might be a clawhammer s754 +3500 maybe)

That MB is very nice, but your going to have to ditch the video card and get a pci-e one. Make sure u use the dual channel ram and try to setup a raid 1 hd system if you can, it will make your pc much faster in the end.
 
Finesse said:
well he got a +3500 amd64 i presume, and all the 3500's ive seen where all s939... so I dont know what he is doing? (i think there might be a clawhammer s754 +3500 maybe)

That MB is very nice, but your going to have to ditch the video card and get a pci-e one. Make sure u use the dual channel ram and try to setup a raid 1 hd system if you can, it will make your pc much faster in the end.
Eh? RAID 1 won't make your system much faster, that would be RAID 0, and it won't make your system *much* faster, that depends on whether the harddisk is the bottleneck or not.

And no slot 754 3500+ processor exists. Or at least, they're not available anymore, so I wonder what calc's problems are.
 
Sander said:
Eh? RAID 1 won't make your system much faster,
A little clarification for Finesse's and calculon's benefit here: RAID 1 can make reading substantially faster, because the reading operation will be conducted on the hard drive which requires minimum head repositioning to access the appropriate track. Writing operations may actually be slower with RAID 1, because data needs to be written twice - once to each hard drive. Nonetheless, I recommend RAID 1 setup for a system which is used to store a lot of large files, such as movies, MP3s, CD images etc.

that would be RAID 0, and it won't make your system *much* faster, that depends on whether the harddisk is the bottleneck or not.
A RAID 0 setup of N drives is N times as fast as a single hard drive (in an ideal case). As Sander pointed out, this performance boost will be noticeable only in situations when HDD operations are so intensive that hard drive bottlenecks the system. It probably won't affect game performance. Also note that a RAID 0 setup is unsafe as hell, and its safety decreases with each additional hard drive. If you have a RAID 0 array with N hard drives, each with MTTF (mean-time to failure) factor T, then the MTTF of the entire array is T/N. So, if you have a hard drive which is expected to give up the ghost in 5 years, a RAID 0 array of five such hard drives is expected to malfunction in only one year! Worst of all, in a RAID 0 system all data is distributed on all hard drives and there is *no* redundancy (makes you wonder why it's called "RAID" at all), so when one hard drive breaks, you lose all your data! Simply put, RAID 0 is an extremely unsafe array and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

If you absolutely must use RAID for some reason, then go with RAID 5, because it combines performance increase of RAID 0 with security of RAID 1. Note that RAID 5 isn't as secure as RAID 1, but it is much more space-efficient, because instead of simply storing all data in duplicate, it uses one or more special parity drives for error detection and correction. Since Hamming code is used, one error per cluster can be corrected without data loss.
 
Ratty said:
A little clarification for Finesse's and calculon's benefit here: RAID 1 can make reading substantially faster, because the reading operation will be conducted on the hard drive which requires minimum head repositioning to access the appropriate track.
That difference won't be that noticeable, mainly because the heads will almost always in (practically) the same position, because they perform exactly the same operations.

Ratty said:
Writing operations may actually be slower with RAID 1, because data needs to be written twice - once to each hard drive. Nonetheless, I recommend RAID 1 setup for a system which is used to store a lot of large files, such as movies, MP3s, CD images etc.
I think I can safely assume he writes that stuff to one of his three servers.
However, RAID 1 is most useful to avoid the detrimental effects of a harddrive crash. And once you have had one hd crash, you won't ever want another one. Even better would be daily back-ups to an off-site location, but that's not really doable.
 
going to raid 0 may give you speed increase, but you do need hardware raid solution with pre-seek, not just pre-fetch.

as far as i have seen, IDE/SATA has pre-fetch, but SCSI and fibre channel has pre-seek.

and raid 0 used to be what is now called jbod. nowadays raid 0 is raid 3/5 without striping.
 
oops, i meant a raid stripe (0)... my pc is setup with a raid 0 and it is much much faster when loading/installing applications and games but doesnt improve overall gameplay speed

When i load up applications like hl2, adobe photoshop cs2 and the windows xp bootup the loading time is almost cut in half... no lie. Whenever i enter servers and the map changes i am always one of the first to get in, and i love it.

My hd's are 2, sata 80gb seagate 7200rpm with nsq and its a hardware raid that i setup even before I installed my OS. The NCQ technology on my hd's is really nice... I will never go back to a non-raided hd again.

The only problem i can see in the future for me is that one of my hd's are going to crap out and im going to lose all my stuff... im thinking about getting another cheap hd just to store backup stuff on.

One of these days i wouldnt mind getting 2 raptors and raid 0 them... but i would also need a really dam fast cpu
 
TheWesDude said:
going to raid 0 may give you speed increase, but you do need hardware raid solution with pre-seek, not just pre-fetch.

as far as i have seen, IDE/SATA has pre-fetch, but SCSI and fibre channel has pre-seek.

and raid 0 used to be what is now called jbod. nowadays raid 0 is raid 3/5 without striping.
Que? Teh bullshit.
RAID 0 is a block-level striped, non-redundant (R)AID setup. JBOD is just sequentially ordering disks, a rather large difference. RAID 3 is striping at byte-level with redundancy because of a dedicated parity-disk, and RAID 5 is block-level striping with parity data spread across the disks.

And why the big bother with pre-seek and pre-fetch for a speed increase? If the hardware solution is proper, the striped spreading of data will give you a speed-increase, period. And pre-seek is usually not that much better than pre-fetch, because its predictions are still poor.

EDIT: Throgrimm, as Ratty said, RAID 0 will significantly increase the chance that your setup will fail, and trust me, you do NOT want that to happen.
 
Uhhhh, yeah, I guess I fucked up. So I got a motherboard with a 939 pin and an AGP slot. The processor is a AMD 64 3700+.

So my motherboard knowledge leaves something to be desired. I'm used to setting up computers that are 8 years old, gimmie a break. :P
 
Sander said:
EDIT: Throgrimm, as Ratty said, RAID 0 will significantly increase the chance that your setup will fail, and trust me, you do NOT want that to happen.
Thorgrimm? Where?

EDIT:

Let's just clear up this whole RAID business once and for all:

Code:
RAID 0:
 _____________       _____________
|data stripe 1|     |data stripe 2|
|_____________|     |_____________|
|data stripe 3|     |data stripe 4|
|_____________|     |_____________|
|data stripe 5|     |data stripe 6|
|_____________|     |_____________|

Data drive #1       Data drive #2


RAID 1:
 _____________       _____________________
|data stripe 1|     |copy of data stripe 1|
|_____________|     |_____________________|
|data stripe 2|     |copy of data stripe 2|
|_____________|     |_____________________|
|data stripe 3|     |copy of data stripe 3|
|_____________|     |_____________________|

Data drive #1       Mirror drive #1

RAID 2:
 _____________       _____________       _______________       _______________
|data stripes |     |data stripes |     |parity stripes |     |parity stripes |
|_____________|     |_____________|     |_______________|     |_______________|
|data stripes |     |data stripes |     |parity stripes |     |parity stripes |
|_____________|     |_____________|     |_______________|     |_______________|
|data stripes |     |data stripes |     |parity stripes |     |parity stripes |
|_____________|     |_____________|     |_______________|     |_______________|

Data drive #1       Data drive #2       Parity drive #1       Parity drive #2

Note: Stripes are bit-sized (unlike other RAID arrays, where each stripe encompasses one or more sectors). To protect N bits, one needs ld(N) + 1 protective bits. Essentially, that means that in order to protect N hard drives, you need ld(N) + 1 additonal hard drives for error correcting.

RAID 3:
 _____________       _____________       _____________       _______________
|data stripe 1|     |data stripe 2|     |data stripe 3|     |parity stripe 1|
|_____________|     |_____________|     |_____________|     |_______________|
|data stripe 4|     |data stripe 5|     |data stripe 6|     |parity stripe 2|
|_____________|     |_____________|     |_____________|     |_______________|
|data stripe 7|     |data stripe 8|     |data stripe 9|     |parity stripe 3|
|_____________|     |_____________|     |_____________|     |_______________|

Data drive #1       Data drive #2       Data drive #3       Parity drive

Note: One and only one dedicated parity drive is used.

RAID 4:

Conceptually identical to RAID 3, but it uses coarse-grained striping instead of fine-grained striping.

RAID 5:
 _______________       _______________       _______________
|data stripe 1  |     |data stripe 2  |     |parity stripe 1|
|_______________|     |_______________|     |_______________|
|data stripe 3  |     |parity stripe 2|     |data stripe 4  |
|_______________|     |_______________|     |_______________|
|parity stripe 3|     |data stripe 5  |     |data stripe 6  |
|_______________|     |_______________|     |_______________|

Hard drive #1       Hard drive #2       Hard drive #3

Note: RAID 5 doesn't have a dedicated parity drive. Parity stripes are treated as normal data stripes and distributed across all drives. This prevents a frequent problem with RAID 3 and RAID 4 arrays - namely, the dedicated parity drive becoming a bottleneck.

RAID 6:

 _______________       _______________       _______________       _______________
|data stripe 1  |     |data stripe 2  |     |parity stripe 1|     |data stripe 3  |
|_______________|     |_______________|     |_______________|     |_______________|
|data stripe 4  |     |parity stripe 2|     |data stripe 5  |     |parity stripe 3|
|_______________|     |_______________|     |_______________|     |_______________|
|parity stripe 4|     |data stripe 6  |     |parity stripe 5|     |parity stripe 6|
|_______________|     |_______________|     |_______________|     |_______________|

Hard drive #1       Hard drive #2         Hard drive #3         Hard drive #4

Note: 
RAID 6 is conceptually similar to RAID 5, except it uses Reed-Solomon protective code, a double-parity code which permits correction of two errors per stripe. This also means that in a RAID 6 array there are twice as many parity stripes as in a RAID 5 array.

Combinations of the above:

RAID 0+1, RAID 10, RAID 30, RAID 50, RAID 0+5, RAID 51, RAID 1+5...
 
So, I'm getting a new rig.

Processor: Pentium 3.2Ghz or a 3.6. Not sure yet.

RAM: 2 x Kingston DDR2 1024MB 533MHz CL4

GFX: PCI-Express Nvidia GeForce 7800GTX 256

HDD: -Operational HDD: 36,7GB RAPTOR SATA150 10000rpm 8MB Cache

-Storage HDD: iWD 2000JS - 200GB SATA II 7200rpm 8MB cache



Not sure about the mobo. Probably going to get an SLI compatible one, in case I want to hook it up with an additional GFX card.
 
I just bought two new HDDs to replace my old ones some days ago.

My system HDD is still only 60 GB, but my MP3/etc HDD now has grown from 60 to 120 GB, the ones for pr0n and eMule temporary files have grown from 120 to 300 GB.

I've used the spare HDDs for my local webserver / Linux box, which will, once I've found the time to go through Debian's list of packages and decided which part of the 9 CDs worth of binaries I should install, have a 60 GB system HDD and two 120 GB data HDDs (one of which used to be a 160 GB HDD until the lights went out on a setup of eight IDE drives with Windows).

And once I have a new IDE controller card, I'll also be able to use my DVD-drives again...
 
Wooz said:
Processor: Pentium 3.2Ghz or a 3.6. Not sure yet.
Bwaha.

RAM: 2 x Kingston DDR2 1024MB 533MHz CL4
Go with 2 GB instead.

GFX: PCI-Express Nvidia GeForce 7800GTX 256
What manufacturer?

Also, I hear ATI 1800XL is a lot faster.

HDD: -Operational HDD: 36,7GB RAPTOR SATA150 10000rpm 8MB Cache
You'd be better off with a RAID setup.

-Storage HDD: iWD 2000JS - 200GB SATA II 7200rpm 8MB cache
You'd be better off with a RAID setup.
 
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