Bethesda looking for a new community manager

[Darkkender]

I would be tempted to apply for this if only too findout if this community manager position is supposed to play damage control and fix bad feelings between Beth soft and Fan communities, or if the position is supposed to encourage severing links between the old fan communities and the new L33T fans.

 

[taxacaria]

I would be tempted to apply for this if only too findout if this community manager position is supposed to play damage control and fix bad feelings between Beth soft and Fan communities, or if the position is supposed to encourage severing links between the old fan communities and the new L33T fans.

Best way to fix bad feelings is to release a good game.

 

[DarkPhilly]

I would be tempted to apply for this if only too findout if this community manager position is supposed to play damage control and fix bad feelings between Beth soft and Fan communities, or if the position is supposed to encourage severing links between the old fan communities and the new L33T fans.

Best way to fix bad feelings is to release a good game.

Probability of that happening, 1 in a million

 

[Urizen]

Just out of curiosity. Has there been much traffic here before from Bethesda's representatives?

No, but to be honest there's a web of reasons for that outside of NMA being "mean".

Let me put it this way; don't worry about the problem of Bethesda people posting here. I doubt it'll be a relevant question anytime soon.

and before you say it, no, that has little to do with how mean NMA is perceived to be, and we're not going to censor opinions just because Bethesda would like us to

could you elaborate on that? if not, perfectly understandable

 

[Rainstorm]

I can only guess from how I interpret it,but I think Kharn means that:
Beth wants followers that sit with their mouths open in awe and swallow all they get to hear,not people with a mind of their own that question what they hear...(and if someone questions,they want full compliance of the admins to make sure such people are removed...)

At least that's my perception of it...and if Kharn didn't mean this I think (and hope) he'll correct me...

 

[aries369]

Maybe Bethsoft will appoint a moderator from its board or one the developer's (admins) to community manager much like Bioware has done, smoothly by the way, by appointing Christ Priestly to community manager.

 

[Urizen]

I can only guess from how I interpret it,but I think Kharn means that:
Beth wants followers that sit with their mouths open in awe and swallow all they get to hear,not people with a mind of their own that question what they hear...(and if someone questions,they want full compliance of the admins to make sure such people are removed...)

At least that's my perception of it...and if Kharn didn't mean this I think (and hope) he'll correct me...

actually, i was thinking more about "how nma is perceived" by beth and about this "web of reasons". i guess i could've been a lot more succinct, though

 

[Brother None]

actually, i was thinking more about "how nma is perceived" by beth and about this "web of reasons". i guess i could've been a lot more succinct, though

I don't know how Bethesda perceives NMA. I do know the following:
1. It is not Bethesda's modus operandus to go outside of their own forums. Some would argue that's because they do not like going to place where they can't control opinions, some would argue this is because of the flames they get in other places.
2. If they do go outside of their own forums they will show favouritism, namely towards DaC over NMA/RPGCodex. This is their attempt to repeat the STG farce. It won't work this time.
3. The cited reason Emil stopped posting here was because he didn't feel like visiting a place that would only burn his company. The Codex/STG were blacklisted because of "disallowed" content. On the surface, both reasons look fine. Below the surface, neither reason works, because a) DaC and NMA don't actually differ in attitude much, certainly not the members and b) the rules Codex and STG broke were suddenly discovered when they raised critical voices.

Unless Bethesda wises up and treats us differently, it'll be the same disaster all over again

 

[4too]

Nex Gen New Speak

Nex Gen News Speak







The interviews we have seen with BethSoft public muzzles feature a warm and fuzzy question and answer exchange between voices with a shared syntax.

Their common abbreviated interpretation of RPG is their first step to glory.
The Nex Gen evangelical buzz words: immersion and innovation are to be accepted as the divine light of inspiration, worshiped icons, not how they apply to the actual game play.

Kharn, how would an interview with these H. Brothers come off it they were constantly checked on their term meanings?

A 'solid' RPG for them is an - action - RPG for others.

Immersion and innovation seems to be about bloom and the BIG SHINY, not about a convincing environment that is made realistic by choice and consequence, and meaningful inter actions with the flora, fauna, and NPC's.

Even if each side kept their meanings, and did not challenge the other by seeking clarification, the flow of the puff piece would falter.

Hints of trouble in the Nex Gen Nirvana.

Even with a respectful presentation of opinions, the Bethsoft sales promotion would not be ideally served by the hint of alternatives.

They want agreement on terms, so ultimately, they can dictate what quality is.

FO is one example of quality. A common experience of quality. A good game.
To stack the deck in their favor, we shall see BS indoctrinate the Nex Gen on how their FO 3 is a good game too: The best -part- of the old PNP. The gritty dark cartoon humor. The guns akimbo. ALL speech, NO text. The bloom. The radioactive mud crabs. More bloom. Micro tranactions. Even more bloom, now with cool particle effects.

When it comes down to business Bethsoft will want to do what they do best, CONTROL every aspect they can:

the discussions on their forums, the discussion on third party forums, the professional and amateur reviews.

If Bethsoft is locked in, intrenched with this business model of power PR, of control freaking, the only way that i can see BS will treat NMA differently is to ignore NMA.

Ignore alternatives, talking the talk of Nex Gen, walking the walk to game market monopoly.









4too

 

[Brother None]

Re: Nex Gen New Speak

Kharn, how would an interview with these H. Brothers come off it they were constantly checked on their term meanings?

Yip, this ocurred to me before as prevalent in the media. Often it's just subconscious, but sometimes...

Remember that in the midst of the Oblivion hype "journalists" (and I use the time lightly) could get away with asking Todd questions that boiled down to "Tell us how your game can be so awesome."

The fact is that the industry and media share a common paradigm which is never question. The whole innovation-over-quality thing (and I'm spoilering now because that'll come back in glittering gems III) is never questioned, it is simply accepted by both the industry and the media. The industry thinking this is healthy because it means big bugs is questionable, but understandeable. The media following it is just "huh", and pretty unique to the gaming industry, I think.

When it comes down to business Bethsoft will want to do what they do best, CONTROL every aspect they can:

the discussions on their forums, the discussion on third party forums, the professional and amateur reviews.

This is not new. Nor is it a crime for a company to try and influence the opinion of the consumer.

Bethesda is just a bit clumsy in execution.

If Bethsoft is locked in, intrenched with this business model of power PR, of control freaking, the only way that i can see BS will treat NMA differently is to ignore NMA.

Yup. And why not? It could work.

 

[Wooz]

I difn't get that last sentence.

What and how would it work?

 

[Brother None]

I difn't get that last sentence.

What and how would it work?

Bethesda ignoring us to death.

For their viewpoint, and if we passively take the being ignored, it'd kill us without much trouble. Then the URL could be taken over by Gamespy's NMA, which would have a better working relation with BethSoft.

 

[taxacaria]

Re: Nex Gen New Speak

The whole innovation-over-quality thing ...it is simply accepted by both the industry and the media. The industry thinking this is healthy because it means big bugs is questionable, but understandeable.

I read about that theme in an interview with the japanese director of Nintendo(?) last year. That guy was saying that's a failure to spend too much work for high end graphics and to neglect game mechanics and fun factor. He mentioned 'Zelda' which has no freak graphics but fun. I'm not a Zelda fan, but I mean he is thinking in the right direction.
The graphics hype has many reasons, main is customer can see something (screenies etc.) - story, fun and quality aren't visable before buying the game.
A growing number of customers is annoyed by unready, bugged and boring games made for morons - and the high end graphics doesn't rise replay value. While patching on and on many players drop the game before it's at final state.
The software industry reacts by promising better graphics next time - and produces same mainstream shit as before.