Buyer's Remorse

[Charwo]

Yeah, I'm not saying it's true BoS but it seems a little closer to the way they were originally depicted. They went too far w/ that angle. I prefer a xenophobic, elitist BoS to a group of sellf-less do-gooders. They were always kind of pricks-- but they turned them into straight-up assholes. Not to mention, the FO4 brotherhood is the polar opposite of secretive, isolationist, tech-hoarders. They leave piles of dead Paladins, power armor, and laser weapons all over the Commonwealth.

The portrayal of the Brotherhood in every Fallout game is totally legitimate, even Lyon's vision. This is not a self-selecting society: people are born into it, and people vary widely in how they approach the world. Maxon and Lyons have both abandoned the Codex, as had the midwestern chapter, because it simply doesn't work. The midwestern Brotherhood is even less justified in Tactics because there had been no war with the NCR yet.

The decision to make the Brotherhood into a fascist occupation force was a good move on Bethesda's part, not because 'that's how the Brotherhood is supposed to be,' but because it's an insightful commentary on the nature of a leader's vision versus institutional norms. It's the smartest thing in Fallout 4, which isn't saying a whole lot, but in a game as good as Fallout New Vegas it would be the smartest thing in it.

 

[lolpop109]

Friend said it was good.

Next day he said it wasn't. Could've told me before I'd exceeded Steam's refund time.

Friends are arseholes

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

BOS in 4 seemed a bit too extremist for me, compared to BOS in 1.

I liked how in FO2, they reduced the amount of FO1 stuff, like mutants, ghouls, and BOS.

 

[ATeaDaze]

Eh......... They never came off as xenophobic or elitist tbh. Obviously they didn't care much about outsiders but I never got the sense that they hated or feared them. Once you're in they're all reasonably amicable towards your presence.

I counter with cabbot. He's arguably one of the nicest character in the game. The only one that was a prick in the BOS to my memory was paladin Rhombus.

I mean the FO4 version is elitist and xenophobic. I prefer that to the Lyons version. What I mean is that a lot of the original BoS people looked down on the average wastelander and, generally, valued tech and their own interests above the average person. Of course, they did a lot of good and had good people in their ranks.

 

[Makta]

I've had buyers remorse with only one genre of game.

Online survival/basebuilding/hunting games, Rust, Ark, DayZ, etc.

No other game has shown me that not only will idiots (like myself) buy an unfinished game which will always be a piece of shit, but that humans in such games are never going to be nice, ever.

I never had buyers remorse with Fallout 3, I found it quite enjoyable on the PS3, and later with Tale of Two Wastelands in NV.

If i could refund a single game on steam it would be a survival game.. Sadly it was one that was good but the devs decided to shit on everyone who spent money on it. R.I.P Nether

 

[Risewild]

I want to see if Fallout Lonestar or Cascadia or Miami ever get done.

I am pretty sure Lonestar will never be made.

 

[TomJ]

Bethesda is just like Apple, it can churn out mediocre product and make millions because it has good marketing. No one can really say Skyrim and 4 were better than mediocre. Yes they both had good moments, but they wasted too much potential to be considered good games or even just ok games.

 

[Charwo]

Bethesda is just like Apple, it can churn out mediocre product and make millions because it has good marketing. No one can really say Skyrim and 4 were better than mediocre. Yes they both had good moments, but they wasted too much potential to be considered good games or even just ok games.

I really enjoyed Skyrim. As an RPG, not so much. But with convenient horses and a musket mod, it was a magical exploration game. It was beautiful, with lots of animals, the architecture was interesting and varied.

Fallout 4 is bad because it's ugly and too busy. If this were like an open world Last of Us, green verdant and full of not always hostile real animals, I'd give it a 7/10. I can forgive the bad presentation of the main quest, what I can't forgive is how everything else is sloppy.