Apparently in the state of New York a learners permit becomes invalid as an ID when it is expired. I can understand it being invalid for driving purposes but no as a valid proof of age for getting alcohol. So far I got denied twice which is not a big deal. It gives me another reason to get my driver license. But I have yet to get a valid explanation from management other then "We can get fined if we serve you". So can someone here trying to explain this to me or help me come up with some arguments against this, a loophole maybe? Eventually, I might end up calling out the Liquor Authority on this in which case I will be busting as much balls as possible so any input of this would be appreciated. Although I don't need alternatives, I know that I can use my passport as a proof of age.