Can you really call yourself a Fallout fan if you love Fallout 4, honestly?

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by HarkonFourth, May 30, 2018.

  1. Millim

    Millim Half-way Through My Half-life

    Oct 13, 2010
    My hatred for the game has passed, I enjoy it for being a sandbox.
    I don't think ones love for Fallout 4 disqualifies them as a Fallout fan, it's not up to me or you over what speaks to certain people.

    I always see Entertainment and Art as a language, and no matter which way you look at it, Fallout 4 is art, just some people see a Masterpiece that speaks to them and really See's something in it that they enjoy while others see it as trash.
    I'm not really in either camp, but I do learn more to it being trash even through I do like it.

    Many People won't be able to get passed the initial start of the original Fallouts and therefore see it as trash, it doesn't speak to them like they speak to many of us and that's fine.
    I no longer see the point in disqualifying someone from a fan base over what has meaning to them. It's stupid.
  2. MPPlantOfficial

    MPPlantOfficial Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Aug 24, 2017
    I am a fan of Dionis. Dionis is god.
  3. LonesomWander22

    LonesomWander22 First time out of the vault

    Jun 16, 2018
    If someone has played only Fallout 4 without much interest I would not call him a fan of the series. But if he wants to learn more about all, inform him self about the history of a faction, a company or other aspects of the deeper fallout universe, then he could be something like a fan. But in order to get a better understanding about these aspects, I would give him the advice to play some of the older games.
  4. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I'm gonna say no. A fanboy accepts whatever is shoved at them. An actual fan would hold each entry to the standards of the original. And fallout 4... just doesn't measure up. It doesn't have any of fallouts defining qualities and the new lore it introduces varies from being bad to outright insulting and is always underdeveloped.

    So in short
    It doesn't have anything a fallout fan is looking for and pisses on what made fallout great.

    it's also an exceptionally shitty game when judged in a vacuum.
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2018
  5. Cale

    Cale First time out of the vault

    Jun 17, 2018
  6. Pwener

    Pwener FEV is the equivalent of a chest x-ray.

    Aug 15, 2017
    I probably hate Fallout 4 more than I should due to having to tolerate my cousin sing its praises. He also loved Fallout 3, disliked New Vegas and has never, and says he will never ever, play the originals.

    I know, he's a sad and terrible human being.
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  7. Hulk'O'Saurus

    Hulk'O'Saurus Still Mildly Glowing

    Jul 10, 2018
    You could probably be called a Bethesda fan :D...

    Oh, well.

    Fallout 4 has got a very well crafted sand box for a post-apoc adventure. The most beautiful seen to date in a Fallout game and, I'd say, it's also under-utilized for what a Fallout game could be(and this here is a biased opinion). I practically don't want to play the game precisely because of how it wants me to play it, but there are people that DO play the game getting lost looting, killing, repeating for many hundreds of hours. Definitely not my cup of tea. An interesting fact here is that if you were on the dev team at Beth at the time, chances are you were having fun with Godd Hoggard(the fictional name of the boss of the Jet production facility called Methesda for F4 we never got), sorry, Todd Howard, as he was walking in the room, calling everybody to make quests for the new game. That's how you end up with the whole bunch of near non-sensible, non-canon, anti-lore quests in a Fallout game. Their main writer practically abdicated at the time and admitted that people would be playing Minecraft with a Fallout paintjob on it, instead of looking for any meaningful story. I think the Institute is great in spirit and idea, but so abysmally presented and realized, it almost hurts me.

    For the record, I just finished Fallout 2. And I have to say that it, too, has got its problems. Seems like every time somebody goes on to make a Fallout game they try to re-invent a square wheel so hard something somewhere goes wrong.
  8. MPPlantOfficial

    MPPlantOfficial Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Aug 24, 2017
    It's all fine and good long as he doesn't try to reason his love for Fo3/4 saying it "has bettur rpg mekaniks" and look for bullshit nitpicky reasons to dislike NV/origs to the level of "Ghost Town Gunfight is exact same quezt as Power of the Atom".

    As for him not wanting to play Fo1/2 I can kind of understand now that I'm in that position. I just got Gothic 2 Gold edition right now and started the game but immediately got disoriented with the odd camera and I honestly don't know if it's worth all that time and effort picking loot 1 item at a time and walk the map at the rate my character does.
    I want to want to play it vanilla but am currently looking for mod options to make it a more playable game.

    (I'll be honest. I remember not wanting to play Vanilla FO1/2 without the shift item highlight in fear I might lose some quest items and have to start over.)
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  9. Pwener

    Pwener FEV is the equivalent of a chest x-ray.

    Aug 15, 2017
    Man, I don't get people that dislike Fallout 1/2 now because they've been spoiled, something I hear constantly. I LOVE the isometric gameplay and turnbased combat system of the classics.

    Then again, I wouldn't touch Fallout 1 without Fixt.
  10. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    Apr 22, 2016
    This is a difficult topic to approach. The reason for this is due to the myriad of perspectives on the matter.
    Fans of the more recent Fallout titles don't consider fans of the originals fans of the franchise and vice versa.

    My position is that if any of the game's titles even those considered non canon were enjoyed by someone enough to get them interested in the Fallout universe then they are a fan. Plain and simple.

    Some will be fans of the originals, the Bethesda titles, the non canon titles like tactics, etc... However from my perspective I don't consider its appropriate to state that if an individual dislikes title A, but like title B that they can be judged as a fan or not. To honest that kind of logic is very childish.

    While we can discuss what we personally may dislike/enjoy about the various details of the titles. Specifically stating that someone isn't a fan even when the franchise's basis of design is completely ignored is just bananas.

    While I completely agree that Bethesda wouldn't recognize the basis of design for the Fallout franchise even if they were held at gun point by it. Taking that frustration out on fans unrelated to Fallout's development is like blaming Ford for a BP oil spill because Ford vehicles use gasoline.

    Therefore I fully support all constructive view points on the various titles, and I consider all individuals that engage with the intellectual property to be fans.
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  11. tgawt

    tgawt ye ass

    Jul 9, 2018
    teh epic cynicist wants to say no but realistically yea because this is just what fallout is now. if you like fallout 4 exclusively then your more of a fallout 4 fan then a fallout fan but if you like fallout then you like fallout.
  12. Fizzycswag

    Fizzycswag First time out of the vault

    Jul 15, 2018
    If you live Fallout 4 and other games in the series then yes. If you love only Fallout 4 and dislike the other games in the series then no. If Fallout 4 isn't considered a Fallout game, then you can label it on its own. In that case, you can like multiple game series, if that makes any sense.
  13. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    simply put fallout 4 isnt fallout. if you like it and the others all that means is you're not an elitist. being an elitist and only liking the good entries in a series isnt what necessarily makes a fan. i'd say as long as you love at least one, two, or new vegas in addition to 4 then you can call yourself a fan.

    eat that @Fizzycswag i just stole your opinion.
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  14. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    Jun 30, 2018
    What if you only like bits of 4? Are you more of a fan than someone who likes all of it? Is there some kind of spectrum I can use as reference?
  15. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    get out of here with this bits BS. something is either good overall or bad overall figure it out.
  16. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    Jun 30, 2018
    So the inbetween doesn't exist? There's no having some of column A and some of column B? No? Its all just rated in absolutes?

    man i dunno i think you can look at something and not be stuck with the two choices of PERFECT or ABYSMAL.
  17. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I never said such a thing you word twister you. rarely is ever something a split perfect 50/50 mixed bag. the only notable example of such a thing i can think of is fallout 2. something is almost always majority good or majority bad. liking bits or hell even liking something as a whole doesnt make it good. i think people too often forget that opinions can be objectively wrong and often are. for example i love the howard the duck movie from 1986. but if i were to make the claim that it were a good movie well that would be demonstrabley false. just as if you were to claim that bits of fallout 4 are good then 9 times out of ten you'd be wrong or the positive would come with at least 40 asterisks. ha ha look how pretentious i am.
  18. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    Jun 30, 2018
    Oh, and I'm the one putting words in your mouth.
    I said I liked bits of Fallout 4, not that those bits are worthy as praise as part of the game. Here, let me help you out and list the two things I like about it.

    • A 3D Fallout having gunplay that isn't awful (Keep in mind, I still don't think this is a 'good' part of the game. It is shameful for Bethesda's shooter/rpg hybrid to only have acceptable shooting in the 2nd/3rd entry.)
    • WW1-WW2 aesthetic on some apparel.
    Maybe that cleared the air. I hope so anyway.
  19. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    except the combat is still terrible by pure virtue of every gun looking and feeling too similar. on top of that we have this horrible health refill mechanic for already bullet spongey enemies. and it only gets worse the more you level up. compare the sniper rifle to the anti-material rifle in new vegas, both may feel weightless but the anti-material rifle has a much more clear oomph too it. it just exudes power in comparison both in design and impact. also they got rid of different ammo type in favor of nonsenical garbage such as the flamer of freezing and the fatman that shoots multiple nukes at once further stupifying an already retarded addition to the canon. on top of all this they broke the armor system making the bullet spongyness even more apparrent than in new vegas and all armor is piss weak especially power armor if its not upgraded. the combat is just purely abysmal by design even if the animation flow better. also while im at it the weapons take up way too much of the screen and the customization mechanic is inferior to the mod mechinic from new vegas.
    this is purely opinion and i cannot counter it however most of the apparel in the game doesnt mesh well with other sets of apparel like in morrowind and the combat armor notably doesnt even fit with its own set leaving massive gaps in the armor. overall the art direction and designs were pretty ptiful even in comparison to 3.
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  20. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    Jun 30, 2018
    Again dude, not saying the gunplay is anything to be admired. It is firmly on the line of acceptable.

    Your gripes with the system seem to be focused on weapon diversity and Beth bulletsponges rather than how well the shooting mechanics play out. I'll say it again, Fallout 4 as a shooter gets the absolute minimum for a passing grade. This is not good, and is only something I like about 4 because the rebranded gunplay is at least engaging.

    They completely replaced ammo types with weapon mods/legendaries. They still exist. Bastardised to all hell but they technically exist.

    No arguments here, fuck the Institute rifle. takes up over 25/30% of your screen depending on whether you want to use a scope to replace the awful ironsights.