CCP snubbed by the Nobel committee

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Starseeker, Oct 8, 2010.

  1. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    Keep in mind Taiwan is a more of a political feud that the chinese (on both sides never solved), kinda like N and S. Korea.

    The nationalists abandoned the mainland and took everything of value with them when it was clear they would lose to the communists. Having to rebuild the war torn mainland after being plundered by nationlist chinese isn't exactly going to put the communists in a fuzzy peace loving mood. Taiwan now being a US ally and itself also claiming "the true china" as well doesn't help things.

    If anything I think China jus wants more "face" and so it demands the "one china" policy every chance it gets. Plus they don't like the idea of the US having forward operation bases so close to the mainland while the PRC has nothing close to that (they do not even have a bluewater navy).

    In regards to human rights I believe the PRC is in-evitably going to change. The way the U.S. government controls their citizens is so much more efective anyways. I mean, why bother using violence when you can just pacify them with mindless entertainment and goods. Why use censorship when you can just release a shitload of truths and lies. So much to the point where your own population doesn't know whats what.

    I think this is the reason China doesn't give a shit about anything except money and goods. If you can keep your populace glued to the tv or their xbox, they won't bother wasting time with things like "politics". Granted it was in the past, exploitation was the easiest way for the old powers to consolidate wealth and power. Would the U.S. be the way it currently is had the robber barons not ruthlessly suppressed any worker dissent with government backing? There are some that insist that it was thanks to these "captains of industry" that the U.S. became the inudstrialized powerhouse that it was.

    In the end, all the crap the PRC is pulling right now is because of what the chinese learned from the foreign powers that controlled it and most of the world in the past. Be it right or wrong, it worked for the old powers then and now the PRC hardliners think it will work for them.
     
  2. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    That's definitely true, which is precisely why they could make the same mistakes Germany did in the 1930s.

    Or not.

    An economic boom like the one China has had over the past ten years probably has a bust-period coming at some point. That's just the nature of economic reality. The future direction of the country will be decided at that point, I would say.
     
  3. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
     
  4. Blakut

    Blakut Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 9, 2008
    I've got a friend working for a firm in collaboration with Honeywell doing some business with the Chinese. Inspecting parts, quality control, supply chain. He goes to China a few times a year.

    Those guys work 12 hours a day, also weekends. They get up at 6 on Sundays for military training. That happens in almost all workplaces. With this kind of discipline they'll take over the world for sure.
     
  5. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
  6. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    Yup either own half of Mongolia by the age of 25 or become the family blacksheep for life.
     
  7. Starseeker

    Starseeker Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 25, 2003
    Anyway, if you can't beat them, create your own.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/confucius-peace-prize-china_n_793610.html

    http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/12/08/who-needs-nobel-china-launches-the-confucius-peace-prize/

    Oh, the irony.

    And I wonder if any of these Chinese committee members follows any Taiwanese news before awarding this prize. Lien's son just survived an attempted assassination/aggravated assault on the eve before the very important penta-Mayoral elections. There are a lot of theories floating about this seemingly random crime. One of them been that ultra right winged CCP members ordered a hit on Lien's son. Who knows.

    Is it childish? For sure, but it's probably no more childish than preventing Norway's Miss Universe contestant from entering China to compete in this year's pageant.
     
  8. Nalano

    Nalano Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jan 20, 2009
    There really isn't a single nation bordering China that hasn't at one point been bullied by China. Tibet was bombed heavily and annexed by China, China directly intervened in the Korean War, India and China got into a low-level shooting war with one another in the 60s, and about the only people the Vietnamese hated more than the Americans in the Vietnam War were the Chinese. Suffice it to say they've got their fingers in a lot of pies.

    That said, the mere thought that China actually cares what a bunch of continental Europeans think of them is clearly a European conceit. As with all other things, China abides, because, like America, there is nothing Europe can do to materially punish China without shooting themselves in the foot. Mere bluster and positioning from an awards committee in Norway will do little to change that.
     
  9. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    Historically yes since China WAS an empire. However, I am speaking more about the modern age.

    Korea: Korea was not a land grab nor attempt to grab land. It was doing its duty as a fellow communist nation to defend another. Also could be due to soviet pressure.

    Vietnam: Border dis-agreements have long been disputed between the two since ancient times. Plus its no different than any other territorial beef that many other nations have. Any military action that resulted was more about the sino-soviet split than anyting else. At the time, china was shying away from soviet style communism to a self styled "maoist" one wheras Vietnam remained loyal. Add the tensions between soviet backed vietnam and chinese backed cambodia conflict and you see a recipe for animosity.

    India: Yes more fighting but more related to border dis-agreements than some "world wide takeover" plans akin to Nazi Germany or the British Empirre. Also again politics plays into the role due to India granting the Dalai Lama asylum and subsequent percieved Indian attempts to subvert chinese rule in Tibet. Also the chinese feared a soviet/india/american pact to encircle the country.

    Tibet: I will give you that one but again its hardly an example of "worldwide" empire building. More of wanting someting that it owned before since ancient times and lost due to its own weakness and foreign influences.
     
  10. Nalano

    Nalano Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jan 20, 2009
    The Korean War - as in China's direct contribution to the Cold War - was not the modern age?

    China's military incursion into Vietnam to stop them from messing with China-backed Cambodia wasn't empire-building?

    East and Southeast Asia is as much China's as Eastern Europe is Russia's domain as Latin America is the United States' domain.
     
  11. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    If you mean" belligerant" as in the sense of the occupation/annexing of anothers country then no. Plenty of nations have border clashes and dis-agreements, that is not the same as aspirations of world domination. India and Pakistan have had extensive shootouts but does that make both countries "evil?"

    Last I heard Vitenam is still Vietnam, not a chinese puppet state and definitely a sovereign country.

    PRC heavily influences the DPRK but thats a direct result of Kim's foolishness. Kim as no real friends besides the PRC. It is by no means a "puppet" state considering its limited nuclear abilities and again, has not been annexed by the PRC and is a soverign nation.

    India: China waged a border war, NOT a war of invasion. India is a sovereign nation and NOT a puppet state. Nor has India been annexed along the lines what Nazi Germany and the British did.

    Cambodia: It was and still IS a sovereign nation. Again PRC troops neither invaded nor annexed the nation. Maybe had heavy influence like the DPRK but thats it.

    Are you sure you don't mean China as an ECONOMIC powerhouse compared to smaller nations? It is true they have a lot of sway as a permanent member of the security council but again if that makes them evil then lump the other 4 in as well.

    Sounds like to not be considered belligerant you would have to be a country like Sweden.
     
  12. Starseeker

    Starseeker Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 25, 2003
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/asiaview/2010/12/china_and_nobel_peace_prize