I would like to see customizing of weapons and such. After all, if you can scrounge stuff together and are a "survivor", why not be MacGuyver while you are at it? I know it sounds rather like Arcanum, but is it such a bad idea?
Combat and Weaponry (was:Unarmed in F3)
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Well I didnt suggest schmatics and such. However it seems rather stupid that you cant improvise some tools and weapons from the landscape around you.
William J Shimmin
First time out of the vault
Well personally i feel its a great thing to have , everything is bust and battered , of course you could mingle together a few things and make a few homemade bombs and stuff. I would prefer it if it was based on intelligance though and maybe your outdoorsman skill. Scince doesnt really applly unless its a chemical creation.
William J Shimmin
First time out of the vault
Yeah but i feel it would be more along the lines of Intelligance than Science. Perhaps a combinationof the 2.
As well as the above which I agree with. Have areas to make complicated things like being allowed access to the brotherhood of steels machinery for making complicated guns from scratch or portable sets of machinery (another use for super snap off tool-kit) allowing you to make standard alteration to existing guns Maybe quests to know how to make such alerayions or gain access to more complicated equipment or even becoming members of differant groups to learn new building techniques/ stealing plans batering for them etc etc.
Chaos Blade
First time out of the vault
on the very least it would be nice to be able to use your rifle as a melee weapon (I am not wastim ammo on a rat) and perhaps adding a bayonette to it... (having a more customizable arsenal would be nice, ala Ja2 I mean)
on the HtH topic, brawling is nice if you have a strong character, but martial arts would be interesting for the inherently weak (perhaps a perk or trait?)
on the katana issue, uh, if you have a vibroblade... who needs a katana? I mean they are good weapons, but are a tad delicate and the lack of a qualified blacksmith would make their life expectancy short a vibrosword on the other hand...
on the HtH topic, brawling is nice if you have a strong character, but martial arts would be interesting for the inherently weak (perhaps a perk or trait?)
on the katana issue, uh, if you have a vibroblade... who needs a katana? I mean they are good weapons, but are a tad delicate and the lack of a qualified blacksmith would make their life expectancy short a vibrosword on the other hand...
Chaos Blade said:
Pugilism befits the style far more than Jackie Chan or Chuck Norris.
The katana has already been torn to pieces already as it wouldn't fit the setting or presentation style, mainly because most anything attributed to Asian culture was considered foreign, Communist/Red, and something the enemy would use against the brave hero. The fiction style of Fallout really doesn't lend to anything being too favorable or Japanophile in the setting if the protagonist is using it. To use another example, the big enemy is always able to use the Death Ray Cannon, but for the protagonist that isn't an option. (Usually they always have to do it the hard way.) In the hands of an enemy and sellable/tradeable for a quest, possibly, but should be mostly limited to a stereotype from the fiction period Fallout is styled upon.
But that is the beauty of Fallout's setting. The elements, whether someone would prefer a crowbar over a foreign sword, would transfer equally well to an evil hero as well as Flash Gordon. What they do with them and whom they choose to hurt with them is a different matter entirely. The perfect way to sum it up is by saying "They might be a bastard, but at least they were America's bastard." Or someone with a greaser attitude that just happens to be in the middle of things, which also fits.
Chaos Blade
First time out of the vault
on any case it is moot, there are far better weapons than a katana in game already, and for coolness factors I'd rather have a kukri...
hmm... wonder what happened to the gurkas in the fallout timeline
hmm... wonder what happened to the gurkas in the fallout timeline
Chaos Blade said:
Again, it is not as a historical timeline, but what would be used and presented in the science fiction style. Nepalese blades are perhaps even more outlandish given the style of Fallout and again, it's preference towards elements like puglilism and greasers.
Well, why should all of that crap matter, when coolness is the bestest reason for including anything!
Chaos Blade
First time out of the vault
heh, very true, coolness is hardly a reason.
on any case, the only bladed weapons that would be reasonable to use in Fallout, regardless of setting, are piercing.
using a slashing weapon against a solid armor is wasting your time, but thrusting onto a weak spot?
so, perhaps an epee or a rapier, not really in setting unless maybe in an east coast setting.
but as I said before who the hell needs that? you have the high end of bladed weapons in the vibroblade, it would be nice to have a larger more swordlike one, but aside from that? well maybe a machette or a bowie knife.
although a nice red chainsaw would make a nice addition if only as an evil dead reference
on any case, the only bladed weapons that would be reasonable to use in Fallout, regardless of setting, are piercing.
using a slashing weapon against a solid armor is wasting your time, but thrusting onto a weak spot?
so, perhaps an epee or a rapier, not really in setting unless maybe in an east coast setting.
but as I said before who the hell needs that? you have the high end of bladed weapons in the vibroblade, it would be nice to have a larger more swordlike one, but aside from that? well maybe a machette or a bowie knife.
although a nice red chainsaw would make a nice addition if only as an evil dead reference
Chaos Blade said:
Where would the chainsaw get gas for it?
How would an epee or rapier pierce the ceramic armor of stuff like power armor? Maybe leather and the cheap flimsy metal...but there is a point where it is useless. A chopping weapon has force behind it, and if aimed correctly CAN do damage.
Not everyone can afford vibroblades...I would assume at the time they would have been black market? I mean a ripper was pretty damn powerful.
Chaos Blade
First time out of the vault
well, considering that the car run on micro fusion and batteries, the chainsaw might be in the same department, then again you might have fuel and fuel dependant vehicles.
Regarding the rapier and epee, they are very precice weapons, yes they cannot cut thru steel or any relatively strong material. they don't need to. they are meant to strike at the weakspots, say the face in the combat armor, the joints in the power armor and so on and so forth.
of course their efficiency against the better armors would be doubtfull.
Regarding the rapier and epee, they are very precice weapons, yes they cannot cut thru steel or any relatively strong material. they don't need to. they are meant to strike at the weakspots, say the face in the combat armor, the joints in the power armor and so on and so forth.
of course their efficiency against the better armors would be doubtfull.
I agree that the kung fu in FO2 was very out of place. Japanese martial arts could be another matter, since judo was being taught in the U.S. since the turn of the century
and given the relationship between Japan and China (the latter being the enemies in the Fallout world, and we were assimilating some Japanese culture in the 50's) it doesn't seem wholly unreasonable that a few people would practice it. Even that is a stretch however.
I *would* really like to see throws/takedowns included, which would be much more useful against armoured opponents than punches and kicks (and/or adjust the aimed shot table to include major weaknesses in armor). It's not like the techniques of jujutsu/judo are unique. You can find them in pretty much any martial arts system including those of Europe, so some simple wrestling tricks wouldn't be out of place at all. It would also be nice if unarmed attacks (and special weapons) did stun damage, so you could more reliably (and realistically) knock people unconscious. Then kick them in the eye until they are dead if you want.
I would expect improvised ranged and melee weapons to be more common. Throwing blades should be more useful; you can make throwing spikes that penetrate metal armor. Polearms formed of scrap metal could be applied even against opponents in heavy armor by giving them a high knockdown ability; armoured battlefield combat is usually more about grounding and grappling your enemies than killing them on their feet anyway. Some crude cleaving "swords" or axes that double as tools seem fitting to me.
I agree that firearm ammunition should be much more rare (existing stockpiles would be burned through and horded fairly quickly) but remain at least as deadly as it is now if not moreso. The idea of more frequent jamming would add a lot of flavor (and make a lot of sense!). Why no muzzle loaders? The pipe rifle was a start, but machining ammunition that won't jam pre-war firerms (and maintaining the guns themselves) would be pretty difficult.
and given the relationship between Japan and China (the latter being the enemies in the Fallout world, and we were assimilating some Japanese culture in the 50's) it doesn't seem wholly unreasonable that a few people would practice it. Even that is a stretch however.
I *would* really like to see throws/takedowns included, which would be much more useful against armoured opponents than punches and kicks (and/or adjust the aimed shot table to include major weaknesses in armor). It's not like the techniques of jujutsu/judo are unique. You can find them in pretty much any martial arts system including those of Europe, so some simple wrestling tricks wouldn't be out of place at all. It would also be nice if unarmed attacks (and special weapons) did stun damage, so you could more reliably (and realistically) knock people unconscious. Then kick them in the eye until they are dead if you want.
I'm not aware that these weapons were ever employed in armoured combat, but I could be wrong. Most battlefield swords were larger, rugged blades used for joint locking and bludgeoning as much as penetration. Besides, swords need to be maintained, and rust when they touch blood; I assume cleansing oils would be even more rare than the weapons themselves. I'd think most any swords that do exist aside from some unique item have become ruined through neglect or use.
I would expect improvised ranged and melee weapons to be more common. Throwing blades should be more useful; you can make throwing spikes that penetrate metal armor. Polearms formed of scrap metal could be applied even against opponents in heavy armor by giving them a high knockdown ability; armoured battlefield combat is usually more about grounding and grappling your enemies than killing them on their feet anyway. Some crude cleaving "swords" or axes that double as tools seem fitting to me.
I agree that firearm ammunition should be much more rare (existing stockpiles would be burned through and horded fairly quickly) but remain at least as deadly as it is now if not moreso. The idea of more frequent jamming would add a lot of flavor (and make a lot of sense!). Why no muzzle loaders? The pipe rifle was a start, but machining ammunition that won't jam pre-war firerms (and maintaining the guns themselves) would be pretty difficult.
Carib FMJ
Nuka-Cola Chaser
Hmm, well some places would still produce fresh ammunition, an example was the LA Bone Yard that melted down scrap metal and got some other common resources to produce the bullets and gun powder.
But jamming weapons would have been cool. Even Wasteland had that, as I recall.
But jamming weapons would have been cool. Even Wasteland had that, as I recall.
requiem_for_a_starfury
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Lightweight swords like rapiers were introduced after the invention of firearms made armour redundant and even a hazard. They didn't need the heavy swords which were used to bludgeon as much if not more than to cut or pierce. But since the early firearms were one shot and slow to reload they still needed another weapon so they introduced rapiers etc. Since in the Fallout universe they've reintroduced armour, rapiers would be of little use.
All this is moot, if you want to play with swords go buy one of the 101 fantasy rpgs out there. Fallout should remain a sword free zone!
Having a ceremonial Military sword in the game would be one thing, perhaps a heirloom that had been handed down through the Brotherhood, with a quest where you could steal it and then blackmail a Paladin to trade it for a lazer pistol maybe, but it wouldn't be a really good weapon.
I'd like to see some pistol whipping and using your rifle as a club when out of ammo. It would be very in keeping with Wasteland. Bayonets would be okay, though I'd like to see less military weapons and more civilian guns.
All this is moot, if you want to play with swords go buy one of the 101 fantasy rpgs out there. Fallout should remain a sword free zone!
Having a ceremonial Military sword in the game would be one thing, perhaps a heirloom that had been handed down through the Brotherhood, with a quest where you could steal it and then blackmail a Paladin to trade it for a lazer pistol maybe, but it wouldn't be a really good weapon.
I'd like to see some pistol whipping and using your rifle as a club when out of ammo. It would be very in keeping with Wasteland. Bayonets would be okay, though I'd like to see less military weapons and more civilian guns.
Again, in the setting, why would they use an epee or similar? When will this fantasy shit end? Drop it, kids.
Speaking of children, jlamb comes up with more stupidity bred upon illogic that should have long since been beaten out of normal children by third grade.
Of course! That is why Commander Cody, Flash Gordon, and all used judo! Because there were judo studios all over the US since someone taught it! The fact that we were at war with Japan in the previous era, still had problems in that area, and were constantly losing men in a war over a nearby area...oh, yes, that definitely screams material that would suit a world designed around 50's science fiction styles.
That is it. Until you can prove to me that you have gained some understanding with the science fiction period you're horribly maligning your ignorance with, don't bother posting on the Fallout 3 forum again.
* - I don't care to know what drug inspired this thought, especially given the strong drive for national pride and proving that you're an American during that time, which was going strong since the 1940's and elevated into paranoia that was quite excellently portrayed by the Overseer's xenophobic response to the PC's actions and influences.
Speaking of children, jlamb comes up with more stupidity bred upon illogic that should have long since been beaten out of normal children by third grade.
Of course! That is why Commander Cody, Flash Gordon, and all used judo! Because there were judo studios all over the US since someone taught it! The fact that we were at war with Japan in the previous era, still had problems in that area, and were constantly losing men in a war over a nearby area...oh, yes, that definitely screams material that would suit a world designed around 50's science fiction styles.
That is it. Until you can prove to me that you have gained some understanding with the science fiction period you're horribly maligning your ignorance with, don't bother posting on the Fallout 3 forum again.
* - I don't care to know what drug inspired this thought, especially given the strong drive for national pride and proving that you're an American during that time, which was going strong since the 1940's and elevated into paranoia that was quite excellently portrayed by the Overseer's xenophobic response to the PC's actions and influences.