Consumer response to the banning of Manhunt 2.

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by Pariah, Jun 26, 2007.

  1. Pariah

    Pariah First time out of the vault

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    Jun 28, 2006
    Guess what guys, it's a petition! Yay!

    http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/manhunt2

    Okay, we all know that it won't do any good, but please keep in mind that people do take note of these petitions. This is especially so for the developers. Even if we're 99% sure that this petition will not change anyone's mind, there's still principles at stake here. Not only have entire nations banned the game, but elements within the US have taken steps to make sure it is effectively banned here even if not officially so. Because this has removed our choice as consumers, and pretty much allowed the ESRB to decide the fate of someone else's art and free speech, we're stuck with both the retailers AND Sony/Nintendo treating the entirety of the gaming community like they're children who have no idea what's good for them. When they assume that their consumer-base consists of one ratio that matters and another that doesn't, they're proving that they don't understand their consumers, and they need to be informed of their mistake.

    Please keep in mind that this is not simply about the Manhunt franchise. It's about consumer treatment.
     
  2. Dove

    Dove Half-way Through My Half-life
    Orderite

    Dec 2, 2003
    Manhunt sucked.
     
  3. Pariah

    Pariah First time out of the vault

    37
    Jun 28, 2006
    But...Do you want it to stay banned?
     
  4. Dracon M'Alkir

    Dracon M'Alkir Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 19, 2004
    If it sucks, why not?

    Maybe the UK legislators thought the game sucked too. :?
     
  5. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    Signed :salute: . Fuck communism.
     
  6. Dracon M'Alkir

    Dracon M'Alkir Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 19, 2004
    What's wrong with communism? The actual system works, it's just the mentality of the people within it that's broken. :D
     
  7. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    Communists think that they own people. That they can dictate what they can read, write, listen to, watch and play.
    They hate computer games that teach people to think and to differentiate fiction from reality - making mind-control more difficult. They need to achieve a total control of everything that we do, say and finally what we think. They need us to read their books and believe what they write.
     
  8. DirtyDreamDesigner

    DirtyDreamDesigner Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Moderator

    Apr 15, 2005
    I liked Manhunt. It just got nasty hard near the end.
     
  9. Dracon M'Alkir

    Dracon M'Alkir Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 19, 2004
    That's so not communism, but I can see where you are going with it.. :look:
     
  10. Pariah

    Pariah First time out of the vault

    37
    Jun 28, 2006
    If the system can't co-exist with the dynamic nature of the people, then it proves itself a rather shitty system.

    Capitalism, on the other hand, is able to work while abiding a lazy, or even corrupt, ratio of citizens. It even has the ability to purge such groups and force them to work (albeit it takes direct insistance; mass consumerism does have its uses).


    Anyway, on principle, whether or not you like the game shouldn't affect the idea that its status as free speech should allow it the ability to exist in our society.
     
  11. Starseeker

    Starseeker Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 25, 2003
    Welcome to China. :lol:

    As for Manhunt.., well, the games are available in China. If you can find it, that is. Censorship is moot in China because Chinese people has been learning to circumvent the government for a long time.

    Banning sexual themes and violence has more to do with religion and politics surrounding it than any "harm" to "children". It's like the sex debate in Japan, well, it doesn't exist.
     
  12. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    Exactly the communists always want to push their religion on everyone else.
     
  13. aries369

    aries369 Still Mildly Glowing

    217
    Feb 2, 2007
    I would hardly call the UK a communist society, would you.

    However, communism and fascism has one thing in common:
    They both want to control what adults can read, see, or play as in what games adults should play as only games that are supposed to be good for i.e. not Manhunt 2 will be allowed or tolerated.

    The thing is that almost everyone can agree that violence etc, is wrong for children to be exposed to whether it be in a game, in a movie etc. And the psych kind of violence in Mahunt 2 with its bleak atmosphere etc. are even worse :!:

    However, this misses the point: The game is rated 18+ in Europe (by the pegi boards) and AO(=18+) by the ESRB. The game IS not for minors and never has been marketed towards minors by Rockstar Games. Thus, adults should by allowed to buy it, and to play if, if they so choose.
     
  14. Stag

    Stag Guest

    It's stupid, obviously. (The banning, and the game.)
     
  15. SkynetV4

    SkynetV4 Mildly Dipped

    589
    Jan 25, 2005
    I voted. Even if the game is stupid, it sets a bad precedent that fundies, excreta (senators, et alia), high-brow assholes get to decide which games are allowed and which aren't. Taste, some might say. Who is to say what is taste, why persist in defending such an indefensible position. Why do you try to pass your beliefs as "good", "right", "in good taste".
     
  16. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    McCarthy? IS THAT YOU?!
     
  17. maximaz

    maximaz Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Apr 2, 2006
    Manhunt was pretty cool actually, nothing amazing but I enjoyed it.
     
  18. slamelov

    slamelov Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Jul 29, 2006
    Have you read The Capital?. Communism is an utopic system which has been never applied, only in some ages with Lenin in URSS and Castro. in Cuba, but finally communism in those countries was changed by dictatorship.

    Here is some info about communism.

    http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

    There is many tendences, but the basic principles of communism, does not talk about censorship and those things. Communism is not the same as fascism, communism is contrary to capitalism,
     
  19. Stag

    Stag Guest

    Communism is an overly idealic system which could never, ever, be successfully implemented among large numbers of people.
     
  20. Wooz

    Wooz Vault Sweeper Admin Orderite

    May 18, 2003
    Yawn.

    Jeez, people, will you stop confusing authoritarianism with communism?

    Also, as said before. Manhunt sucked. I could care less.